Mainsail
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They do if you've set them on fire first.
Need advice for defense against bears
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They do if you've set them on fire first.
dmazur
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Need a new keyboard...
SharpsDressedMan
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I can just see a tree hugger/bear lover with a fire extinguisher strapped to his back when walkabout in the woods...............
lloveless
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flick a Bic in front of that wasp/hornet spray. Makes a mini flame thrower!
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orrwdd
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In the west now it is more common to Fear the Marijuana Growers than either the meth cookers or the bears.
They are common now in many remote area's and they carry AK style rifles. So be armed with something other than Bear Spray be cause they can reach out an touch someone.
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Dont use ANY handgun on large bear and expect to walk away from it, I Have seen tests done on grizzly bear skulls with handguns and rifles of various calibres none of the handgun bullets penetrated the skull, and most of the rifles also failed the only gun found to acheive successful skull penetration every time was a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. These also achieved maximum body penetation in both grizzly and polar bears usually the slug would be found close to the skin on the other side of the bear.
sanerkeki
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Been doing a lot of bear hunting and reaserch. First off it is very hard to get attacked by a bear, you have more chance of winning the lottery. Second if a bear does descide to attack you and charges at you you are not going to stop it very easy, not with a pistol. What works best is a simple flair, no metter how mad they are the flare will scare them and they will reatreat.
S&W-Keeper
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12 gauge 00, or 000 buckshot.A good pair of running shoes will also help.
telomerase
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Thus the prevalence of the patented Bearskull armor inserts in modern armies.
And 50% of the time a spray will blow back in your face, thus protecting you from all but the most hardened Mexican Chili Bears.
In NH the black bears run like heck if they see any person. If I lived on Kodiak Island I'd have to change my smarmy tune, of course
Dont use ANY handgun on large bear and expect to walk away from it, I Have seen tests done on grizzly bear skulls with handguns and rifles of various calibres none of the handgun bullets penetrated the skull, and most of the rifles also failed the only gun found to acheive successful skull penetration every time was a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. These also achieved maximum body penetation in both grizzly and polar bears usually the slug would be found close to the skin on the other side of the bear.
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Uh huh. Sorry but you're incorrect , you can argue all you want but I've *seen* it first hand , and in point of fact I've already posted a personal encounter with a sow brownie while running trapline in the area way north of Lake Louise and west of Paxson Lake , in that case a 300 hornady xtp (.44 mag) penetrated the skull quite nicely.
And slugs are not optimum for bear defense , don't bother argueing that one either unless you want to run up there and tell all the guides and folks living 'out' what a big mistake they're making carrying a .338 ,.375 ,.416 etc.
You've 'seen a test'. ROTFLMAO , some of us have lived incountry and co-existed with the big bears off and on for decades.
Furthermore here's a REALITY for you , you're going to have to put that long gun down at some point ,kind of hard to clear and reset a Conibear 330 while keeping a hand on that slug gun you're so enamored of ,likewise splitting wood and a hundred other everyday tasks , tell me how you're going to handle that longgun in outhouse? What
' You're gonna wipe your ass with the stock?
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Uh huh. Sorry but you're incorrect , you can argue all you want but I've *seen* it first hand , and in point of fact I've already posted a personal encounter with a sow brownie while running trapline in the area way north of Lake Louise and west of Paxson Lake , in that case a 300 hornady xtp (.44 mag) penetrated the skull quite nicely.
And slugs are not optimum for bear defense , don't bother argueing that one either unless you want to run up there and tell all the guides and folks living 'out' what a big mistake they're making carrying a .338 ,.375 ,.416 etc.
You've 'seen a test'. ROTFLMAO , some of us have lived incountry and co-existed with the big bears off and on for decades.
Furthermore here's a REALITY for you , you're going to have to put that long gun down at some point ,kind of hard to clear and reset a Conibear 330 while keeping a hand on that slug gun you're so enamored of ,likewise splitting wood and a hundred other everyday tasks , tell me how you're going to handle that longgun in outhouse? What
' You're gonna wipe your ass with the stock?
B.
jackstinson
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Throw your picnic basket one direction and run the other direction.
What works best is a simple flair, no metter how mad they are the flare will scare them and they will reatreat.
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You 'netxperts' are going to get someone killed or mauled some day with bull**** advice like the above. And once again don't even bother argueing with me about it ,'cause tell you what I'll just offer to meet you in Anchorage , fly you out to Naknek and we'll hoof it into the Katmai and you can try it , we'll even back you up and keep you from getting mauled/killed , and then put out the damn fire when you drop that flare and run screaming in terror.
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You 'netxperts' are going to get someone killed or mauled some day with bull**** advice like the above. And once again don't even bother argueing with me about it ,'cause tell you what I'll just offer to meet you in Anchorage , fly you out to Naknek and we'll hoof it into the Katmai and you can try it , we'll even back you up and keep you from getting mauled/killed , and then put out the damn fire when you drop that flare and run screaming in terror.
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In the west now it is more common to Fear the Marijuana Growers than either the meth cookers or the bears.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the absolute damn truth , there are vast areas of Northern California backcountry that you go into at certain times of the year at your own peril , and you go heavily armed yourself and stay the hell out of these idiots way.
If you run across one of their patches ,camps or cook sites do the common sense thing and make tracks.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the absolute damn truth , there are vast areas of Northern California backcountry that you go into at certain times of the year at your own peril , and you go heavily armed yourself and stay the hell out of these idiots way.
If you run across one of their patches ,camps or cook sites do the common sense thing and make tracks.
Good reason to carry a POWERFUL handgun
Got this as an e-mail.
This guy lives just outside of Soldotna, AK.
This story seems believable to me. http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stor...78669517.shtml
It was reported Aug. 7, 2009 in the Peninsula Clarion.
It shows that a person can choose to carry a significantly powerful handgun and use it at a moments notice and save ones life from an unprovoked attack.
He admits that he was lucky. But he choose to carry a handgun; that was also "enough gun" (.454 Casull). He intelligently choose an appropriate cartridge ("hot" 350 grain solid) for the possibility that he just might need it. Was he paranoid?
It goes to show that in a defensive action you are playing catch-up. You are out of time. You need to do the right thing "RIGHT NOW"!
Got this as an e-mail.
This guy lives just outside of Soldotna, AK.
This story seems believable to me. http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stor...78669517.shtml
It was reported Aug. 7, 2009 in the Peninsula Clarion.
It shows that a person can choose to carry a significantly powerful handgun and use it at a moments notice and save ones life from an unprovoked attack.
He admits that he was lucky. But he choose to carry a handgun; that was also "enough gun" (.454 Casull). He intelligently choose an appropriate cartridge ("hot" 350 grain solid) for the possibility that he just might need it. Was he paranoid?
It goes to show that in a defensive action you are playing catch-up. You are out of time. You need to do the right thing "RIGHT NOW"!
Mainsail
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Mello said:
Say what?!?! Did you read the question that was asked?
There's nothing like that in Maryland.
ArchAngelCD
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I want to play too, how about this?
OR, maybe even this of you don't want to carry the first gun...
OR, maybe even this of you don't want to carry the first gun...
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More about that incident here...
http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml
http://jasperwildlife.com/Fatal-Bear-Attacks-in-North-America-Jasper-Wildlife.html
tipoc
http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml
http://jasperwildlife.com/Fatal-Bear-Attacks-in-North-America-Jasper-Wildlife.html
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Aw geez, com'on folks. EVERYONE knows that it's a "picinic" basket and not a picnic basket.
All those years of watching Yogi and Bubba and you didn't pick up on the right vernacular?...... GEEZ!
Years ago some friends and I were hiking in some fairly local woods (1/2 hour from the edge of town and up a mountain). One of my buddy's got antsy at our "slow" progress and jogged up the trail. I came around the next bend to see him standing stock still in the trail and a black bear's butt dissappearing stage left at a hurried pace. Seems that he jogged around the bend and came up face to face at 10 feet with the bear. They both stopped and got all wide eyed at the same time (he admitted to an "I'm going to die today" moment) and after what he said was perhaps 3 or 4 seconds where neither moved a muscle the bear decided to politely leave in a panic.
Black bears around our area are just a bit bigger than an oversized St Bernard.
All those years of watching Yogi and Bubba and you didn't pick up on the right vernacular?...... GEEZ!
Years ago some friends and I were hiking in some fairly local woods (1/2 hour from the edge of town and up a mountain). One of my buddy's got antsy at our "slow" progress and jogged up the trail. I came around the next bend to see him standing stock still in the trail and a black bear's butt dissappearing stage left at a hurried pace. Seems that he jogged around the bend and came up face to face at 10 feet with the bear. They both stopped and got all wide eyed at the same time (he admitted to an "I'm going to die today" moment) and after what he said was perhaps 3 or 4 seconds where neither moved a muscle the bear decided to politely leave in a panic.
Black bears around our area are just a bit bigger than an oversized St Bernard.
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Tell your friend to keep all food in-accessible to the bears outdoors. This would include bird feeders and garbage. If the bears come around the house, they're probably looking for food. Tell him not to get too excited and basically just yell and run the bears off. A broom might come in handy. They will continue to come as long as they think there is food. This includes picnic baskets.
A gun, sure, most any shotgun will do loaded with slugs. Handgun, sure, 357 mag or larger. Rifle, sure, something along the lines of a 30-30 or more powerful should be sufficient. He won't need the gun, but it will probably make him feel better.
Call the game warden if they become a problem. Otherwise, enjoy the sights and take some photos.
A gun, sure, most any shotgun will do loaded with slugs. Handgun, sure, 357 mag or larger. Rifle, sure, something along the lines of a 30-30 or more powerful should be sufficient. He won't need the gun, but it will probably make him feel better.
Call the game warden if they become a problem. Otherwise, enjoy the sights and take some photos.
MattTheHat
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> pics of that big honking bear
HOLY COW!!!!!
As others have said, I'd prefer a long gun (my .454 Casull lever action rifle), but wouldn't be caught dead in big bear country without a side arm too. For me, that would be my Colt Delta Elite 10mm, loaded with the hottest ammo I could find. A .454 Casull revolver would seem to be a natural, considering my lever gun of choice, but I'm sure I can get off close to twice as many shots with better placement with my Delta than I ever could with the revolver. Ever see the movie "Romancing the Stone"? With a revolver I'm afraid I'd pull a Danny Devito and run whilst shooting backwards over my shoulder.
With the Delta, I would hope I could stand my ground just long enough to get off 8 fairly well placed shots before I turned and started running.
-Matt
HOLY COW!!!!!
As others have said, I'd prefer a long gun (my .454 Casull lever action rifle), but wouldn't be caught dead in big bear country without a side arm too. For me, that would be my Colt Delta Elite 10mm, loaded with the hottest ammo I could find. A .454 Casull revolver would seem to be a natural, considering my lever gun of choice, but I'm sure I can get off close to twice as many shots with better placement with my Delta than I ever could with the revolver. Ever see the movie "Romancing the Stone"? With a revolver I'm afraid I'd pull a Danny Devito and run whilst shooting backwards over my shoulder.
With the Delta, I would hope I could stand my ground just long enough to get off 8 fairly well placed shots before I turned and started running.
-Matt
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Can't imagine what it felt like knowing you were split seconds away from being lunch for the largest carnivore on earth......glad you didn't bring the mouse gun.
Bear Spray and I dont mean on the trees...
Ha Ha ha I like the one where the guy says If you have to run, run downhill bears run slower downhill than up hill haha. I aint no expert but Ive seen lots of video of bears rolling as they run downhill... You dont have a chance. UDAP Bear spray is your only hope at close range.........for me I got a Vaquero in 44 mag on my belt w/ 300 gr XTP or Keith style hard cast. Rifle is a Win 94 in 44 mag. Will go clean through a bear I hear. Ill take that with a grain of salt.
Ha Ha ha I like the one where the guy says If you have to run, run downhill bears run slower downhill than up hill haha. I aint no expert but Ive seen lots of video of bears rolling as they run downhill... You dont have a chance. UDAP Bear spray is your only hope at close range.........for me I got a Vaquero in 44 mag on my belt w/ 300 gr XTP or Keith style hard cast. Rifle is a Win 94 in 44 mag. Will go clean through a bear I hear. Ill take that with a grain of salt.
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I love these bear threads as well, but the important factor that is being ignored is that this situation is in Maryland, where handguns can not be carried. Rifles are legal, however, so I recommend a compact (16" barrel") levergun in .357, .44, or .45. These rifles can be pretty compact, especially the 1892 Puma, but I believe Marlin also periodically makes a compact .44. I have an old Winchester Trapper in .45 that I love for this role.
Ammo choice is critical. 180-200 grain solids (DoubleTap or Buffalo Bore) in .357, and 300+ grain solids in .44/.45 wold be appropriate.
Ammo choice is critical. 180-200 grain solids (DoubleTap or Buffalo Bore) in .357, and 300+ grain solids in .44/.45 wold be appropriate.
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