Need carry gun, why 1911 instead of Sig or Kahr?

[pete f]

because despite what they tell you

A a good single action will make you a better shooter that a good double action. My then 14 yo daughter was able to shoot well enough to qualify for her ccw on her second time shooting for score, of course she was not old enough, but she would have passed the test.

B A normal 1911 in a combat build will ALWAYS work. internal extractor no mind. but if you build it to JMB's prints, It Will Work. PERIOD,

C marketing exec's need to be dragged in a pit of broken glass. Everyone tries to tell you that it was broke? SCUSE ME? Who said it was broke.
build it with a GI guide rod, internal extractor, tool steel parts, then use it it will work it works all the time.

D all the other designs are built to satisfy lawyers who oversee the purchases of police depts, excluding other war time designs

E DAO answers a question no user ever asked

Do this, buy a GI colt , buy 15 boxes of shells then go shoot


see how many fail to fire fte and ftf
none is my guess

 

[recondoc]

"Do this, buy a GI colt , buy 15 boxes of shells then go shoot see how many fail to fire fte and ftf"

Repeat this test with hollow point ammo. Check results.

I'll bet it's more than a good wheelgun.

Just stiring the pot Amigo but I couldn't pass up the shot.

Doc

 

[stolivar]

1911

woo hoo, both the glock and XD fired over 10,000 rounds and the XD over 20,000 rounds with out one flaw and where buried in mud, sand and water. Frozen and then thawed and only cleaned very little and performed flawlessly. You sure in the hell could not do that with a 1911 type of gun......


steve

 

[recondoc]

From Doug Davis article in Guns Magazine:
"In 2001 the Czech National Police asked a number of gun makers to come up with a new duty gun to meet their stringent requirements. So stringent were the requirements that many gun makers decided not to participate in the design competition.

The gun had to withstand 4,000 dry-firings, 3,000 de-cocks, 1,350 user-level disassemblies and re-assemblies, 150 complete disassemblies down to the springs, screws and pins, 54 drops of 1.5 meters on concrete, a 3 meter drop, and a 24-hour freezing test.

With the easy stuff over, the gun had to be stripped of all lubrication, submerged in sand and mud and still fire reliably. On top of all that, the National Police required a 15,000 round 9mm +P service life. Further testing revealed that the P-01 could easily survive more than 30,000 rounds of 9mm ball ammunition. In way of comparison, the U.S. Army had a requirement for 115 grain, 9mm ammo of 495 mean rounds between failure (MRBF). The Czech National Police requirement was 500 MRBE During the P-01's testing, the average number of stoppages wan only seven per 15,000 rounds fired. The MRBF was an astounding 2,142, which exceeds the requirement by nearly five times."

The little P-01 underwent testing for the Czech Ntnl. Police that made many big name manufacturers stay home.

Doc

 

[Boss Spearman]

I'm sorry, but I just do not believe the mud, sand, etc test with Glocks. I rented a Glock at the range that just had a day or so's worth of use in it and had not been cleaned and it jammed. We cleaned it and it worked ok. So it (a 17) jammed up with just one day of range use, way less than 10,000 rounds, and no mud, ice or sand.
I just don't buy those tests.

 

[Bobby Lee]

So does that mean the other 2,000,000 Glocks out there that you know nothing about have to work EXACTLY like the ONE you have one days experience with?

 

[Boss Spearman]

No that means I know the media, whatever form it takes, isn't always honest. And I've only seen those reports in articles in magazines filled with advertisements to buy Glocks.
I'm a skeptic. I don't believe any report on ANY firearm claiming to be stuck in mud, salt, ice, etc.

How many Glocks have you owned?

I've owned several Glocks. I've owned the 17, 19, 23, 26, and the 36 at various points. They all shot well enough. But no firearm on the planet is going to be that dependable, in my opinion.

I just don't believe it, that's all.

Until an official representative shows me the tests, I don't believe them. I believe half of what I read and less of what I hear.

 

[Krag]

When it comes to CCW my primary considerations are (1) reliability; (2) how well I shoot it; (3) caliber; (4) size and weight. For me, the Kahr PM9 is the perfect combination of the above. On occassion I do carry a full size pistol, a Glock 17.

As for reliability, I shoot a Para 16.40 HiCap in UPSPA. It is the very first 1911 I have ever owned (I guess about a dozen so far) that has proven 100% reliable out of the box. Every other one, from GI surplus to Kimbers, has required the ministrations of a 'smith to get to running reliably.

 

[Boss Spearman]

I carry either a Para Commander sized LTC, or a Springfield GI Champion, depending on which needs cleaning.
The Kahr you mention sounds interesting. My only other ccw weapon is a Bersa Thunder .380, and I'd like to get a third one with a little more punch than .380 if I can find a suitable affordable one for ccw.

 

[recondoc]

I'm picking up another Kahr P9 next week. I trust them.
Doc

 

[The_Shootist]

CCW Piece?

I really like my 1911 and do carry it - but less and less so in favour of my Glock 19. I just seem to be able to shoot it better (and clean it easier )
than either my full size 1911 or my Colt Defender.

But the big thing is reliability. I can't remember the last time the G19 jammed using any sort of CCW or practice ammo. Plus, the 1 standard size mag in the gun and 2 others on my hip, if 45 rounds doesn't get me out of trouble then likely nothing short of a Marine platoon will anyway.

Being in the Houston/Galveston Texas area, I could run into the odd single/dual robber or mugger. Or I could run into a serious gangbanger situation. No point in selling myself short.