Need gun safety 'class' materials

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chris in va

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I posted this on TFL, thought I'd do the same here.

My friend's wife will be moving out of state soon. Right now I'm keeping their 30-30 in my gun cabinet because she doesn't feel right having it around without knowing how to use a firearm, plus she's got the standard jitters about guns. Nothing anti, just nervous.

They can't afford an NRA safety class right now. Having taken a few myself, I told her I could teach her the basics on rifle, handgun and shotgun safety, but I need some 'official' material to guide me. Apparently you have to be a 'certified NRA instructor' to even receive safety coursework from them.:scrutiny:

She's not looking to get any certificate or CCL, just instruction and range time.
 
The NRA is reluctant to expose itself to a liability suit from someone who claims that he or she was taught using its materials but was never told that it's dangerous to put the hole in the gun in his ear to listen to the sound of the ocean. Similar reasons why Glock won't sell its armorer's manual to anyone but a Glock Certified Armorer and why many states won't issue a CWP license to someone who has taken a really great course from a friend who isn't an NRA- and state-certified instructor. No big surprise. It's misleading to lead someone to believe that you're "just as good as" the real thing, and before you do it you need to be prepared for serious consequences.

If you feel competent to teach her an NRA safety course but not competent enough to teach her without NRA material to guide you, maybe it's not such a good idea to try teaching her an NRA safety course if you don't know how to do it? Just a thought.

What you can teach her, though, are the four rules of firearms safety that have been summarized so well by Jeff Cooper. Here are the materials for teaching it:

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

They don't require more than 15 minutes of presentation and explanation followed by as much demonstration and supervision on the range as needed. You're undoubtedly aware that if she later has a disaster that's attributable in any way to your instruction you may expect to spend time and money defending yourself against the liability for it. The NRA has specific methods for instruction and insists that instructors follow those methods, and NRA-certified instructors may purchase liability insurance that covers them when they teach NRA courses. You also can't buy that insurance unless you're an NRA-certified instructor. Same reason as in the first paragraph above.
 
Alright now, this is getting out of hand.

I've read COUNTLESS posts on here how people should train their friends on firearms safety and mandatory instruction shouldn't be imposed by the gov't.

So. The main firearms training institution is the NRA, and that was the first thing I turned to for source materials. Ah but now I've been told twice it's not a good idea to use NRA safety techniques when trying to help a friend out. Just great.

What now, contact Blackhawk training center? How about the military? Maybe the local sheriff can help a brother out.

PS thanks lgsracer, I'll look into that. Her baby is due in March and wants to wait until then anyway.
 
Here is an idea if you can't get the materials yourself. Check to see how much a safety course costs and pay for it yourself if you can afford it. Tell her it is an early Christmas present or something like that. This way there is no doubt that she has proper training. Another plus is you avoid vicarious liabilty for training someone. Good luck.
 
Alright now, this is getting out of hand.

I've read COUNTLESS posts on here how people should train their friends on firearms safety and mandatory instruction shouldn't be imposed by the gov't.

So. The main firearms training institution is the NRA, and that was the first thing I turned to for source materials. Ah but now I've been told twice it's not a good idea to use NRA safety techniques when trying to help a friend out. Just great.

What now, contact Blackhawk training center? How about the military? Maybe the local sheriff can help a brother out.

PS thanks lgsracer, I'll look into that. Her baby is due in March and wants to wait until then anyway.

Nope, Chris, nothing is "getting out of hand." You're just not getting gratification. There's a difference between the two. The Earth continues to spin, there still is peace in the land, and chaos is not yet upon us.

I don't think that Blackhawk would sell you its instructional materials either, Chris, but it might be worth a try. You probably could get the military training manuals, possibly even by downloading them online, but my recollection is that they're not useful out of their context. Your idea of contacting the local sheriff's office might be worth a try too. There's also nothing wrong with Cooper's four rules: every training course I've ever taken assumes them. They're different from the NRA rules, though.

Or, of course, you can continue trying to find materials that will guide you to teach her what you don't know well enough to teach her. But in that case why not just give her the materials and let her read them instead of trying to interpret them for her.

It's indeed a good thing for friends to help train their friends on firearms safety. It's not such a good thing, though, if the person doing the training doesn't know enough about firearms safety to teach it.

It's a very bad thing if that person gives the impression--and even believes himself--that he's training someone else according to specific standards but doesn't really know the standards he's teaching, only his own version of what they might be in his imagination.

I've reread my previous response to you but don't see that I said anything like "it's not a good idea to use NRA safety techniques." What I was saying, clearly I think, is that it's not a good idea for you to try to teach the "NRA safety techniques" because you obviously don't know them well enough to teach them. If you did know them you wouldn't have needed to ask your original question. The "NRA safety techniques" work all right and are worth learning from instructors who understand them and how to teach them in the NRA context for teaching them. Cooper's four rules work well too and are worth learning from someone who understands them.

Many people have had teachers who needed to read ahead in the textbook because they just didn't know the subject they were teaching. It's not a good experience.

Black Night's suggestion is right on target. It's the kind and honest thing to do, and at the end your friend's wife will have had the training she thinks she is getting instead of your version of it.

But you obviously are determined to do what you want. I hope things turn out well.
 
I may have to do that. Just concerned the class is a 'non-range' type as the closest one is at least an hour from here. Even though we're fairly rural the county .gov decided to not allow any in this vicinity.
 
Course materials abound

Every state has a program for firearms safety. State safety manuals should be available upon request to the safety office of your game & fish department or at county courthouses. You can also check out online material at places such as http://homestudy.ihea.com/ I am sure there are many other online resources, perhaps at manufacturer sites as well.

Your friend may just want the basic information relating to that particular firearm, or may be interested in the big picture. I am sure you will want to meet the needs and interests of your friend rather than a one size fits none basic curriculum. I am also sure that you understand that a talking head can't compete with learning by doing. Range time is required for completion of the basic HuntSafe course in these parts. It's that important.
 
Chris, I just had another thought that might help you and her. You're in Virginia. The VCDL seems like a sterling organization. Why not contact Philip Van Cleave to find out if there's an experienced member--possibly even an NRA instructor--nearby who will give your friend's wife the instruction she needs. All of the NRA instructors I know are more interested in helping people than in fees and all of them admit people to safety courses who can't afford to pay for them.

Once she has that sound base, you can do her a lot of good by being her range buddy.
 
Teaching some one how to shoot is a important thing and if not done correctly you could "ruin" them for life. I say ruin because there are little things that you need to know when teaching someone that is often overlooked. A few things are starting someone out with anything larger than a .22 when teaching would ruin a person.

Teaching the fundamentals is an important thing and should be done by a NRA instructor. I have taught people before I was a NRA instructor but you leave alot out if your aren't an instructor.
 
Twice a year my club offers a FREE Women's Firearm Safety Clinic. Includes both classroom and range instruction, taught by NRA certified instructors.

(We also have Men's Firearm Safety Clinics.)

Check around with clubs in your (and her area) they may offer something similiar.

The other option is to find a competent friend (someone with no emotional attachment to your other friend) to show her the basics.

Cooper's rules are a good place to start.
 
Obviously it's safety first, but throwing in some training regarding the firearm laws for the state she's moving to may be a good idea as well. Just a way to make sure she's safe and legal. I'm only mentioning it because I've seen "friends" teach the three/four/ten rules of safety without a single mention of laws that need to be followed.

JMO though.
 
If you can't find an NRA Safety course in the area, you might consider a Hunter's Safety class.

Yeah, I know, she doesn't want to hunt, right? Well, there's more to a Hunter's Safety class than how to tell the difference between deer and turkeys. They do a fairly decent job of teaching basic firearms safety. Most often, these classes are either free or very inexpensive.
 
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