Need help: Best 9mm platform

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Of your list I would go with the CZ SP01 Shadow. It's pretty much the winningest gun in IPSC Production Division. You will need to check the IDPA rules to ensure it is OK for their Stock Service Pistol division. My BIL bought one on my advice. Out of the box the single action trigger is better than any out of the box 1911 I have fired, including STI 2011s. Of course, he may just have an exceptional one. Of course you could just get it worked over by Angus Hobdell and make it exceptional. http://www.angushobdell.com/
Reliability of CZs is good if maintained well, but they are prone to breaking springs, esp. the trigger return spring. They are also not designed for hot loads, back in the late 90s CZ made a .40 cal version for IPSC use, it suffered from cracking of the slide. The Tamfoglio/Springfield P9 clone of the CZ also suffered from cracking of the frame went loaded to major in Open Division.
There is an amazing level of factory optional parts for the CZ along with aftermarket support and a dedicated CZ forum. Armored Man here on THR is a big fan and can probably advise you.

TL,DR: Great comp gun, good self defence gun, does not have the endurance of newer designs.

Browning Hi-Power has a poor trigger, poor sights and a minimalist safety. I like them as a classic design, but would not compete with one and would have other preferences for self defence. There is limited after market support for the BHP. Richard Novak is probably the best known hi-power gun smith. Deceased THR Member Stephen A Camp's Hi-Power site is still up: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/

The Armarlite AR24 is a Turkish derivative of the CZ imported and sold by Armalite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarsilmaz_Kilinc_2000
I've no personal experience with them. I would stick to the CZ or even the EAA Witness made in Italy by Tanfoglio, another CZ75 derivative. The lower end Tanfoglios tend to have reliabilty issues, the high end guns are exceptional, with single action triggers as good as or better than many 1911s. The Sarsilmaz is a newish product and not the bread and butter line of the comapny that imports it. It may have a long commercial life in front of it, but then again it may not.

9mm 1911: There are many to choose from. If I had my druthers I would get a Nighthawk Custom, http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/
Realistically an STI Trojan would be my choice for a mid priced gun. Note that a mid range 1911 is comparable in price to a high range anything else.

Again, SP01 Shadow is my pic of your choices. If looking for a gun strictly for self defence then I would get a Glock or a S&W M&P. I've over 20,000 rounds through my Glock 17 with no breakages and no failures that weren't caused by the operator or bad reloads. Until the CZ Shadow arrived the Glock was pretty much the winningest gun in IPSC Production Division.

I've shot the HS2000 (Springfield XD) a fair bit, I prefer the trigger on the Glock. Each of the HS triggers I have tried has been mushier than ny Glocks trigger. The XD is made in Croatia by HS and imported by Springfield. I've no idea of the availability of aftermarket support, I know that the Canadian shooters I communicate with complain that they have to send the entire gun back to Springfield for repairs as Springfield will not ship them parts.

The Beretta 92 trigger will be heavier with more creep and overtravel than the CZ. In my experience they are 100% reliable, I enjoy shooting mine. There aren't many people winning competitively with the Beretta for a reason.
 
Of your list I would go with the CZ SP01 Shadow. It's pretty much the winningest gun in IPSC Production Division. You will need to check the IDPA rules to ensure it is OK for their Stock Service Pistol division. My BIL bought one on my advice. Out of the box the single action trigger is better than any out of the box 1911 I have fired, including STI 2011s. Of course, he may just have an exceptional one. Of course you could just get it worked over by Angus Hobdell and make it exceptional. http://www.angushobdell.com/
Reliability of CZs is good if maintained well, but they are prone to breaking springs, esp. the trigger return spring. They are also not designed for hot loads, back in the late 90s CZ made a .40 cal version for IPSC use, it suffered from cracking of the slide. The Tamfoglio/Springfield P9 clone of the CZ also suffered from cracking of the frame went loaded to major in Open Division.
There is an amazing level of factory optional parts for the CZ along with aftermarket support and a dedicated CZ forum. Armored Man here on THR is a big fan and can probably advise you.

Good write up, but I must disagree on the hot loads issue and the springs. These guns are all steel and were made for the hotter European 9mm loads. The spring problem was in the past and is more of an Internet myth. I am a CZ fan boy with 5 CZs and have had no spring issues at all.

Now you have me thinking about upgrading my SP-01 Tactical to a shadow.
 
Someone should probably mention the Sig P210 (not Sig-Sauer -- the actual Swiss-made Sig).

You will get an idea of the reputation just by googling "sig p210" and scanning the first page of results before you click on anything.

Upside = built to last forever, super-crisp SA-only trigger break, top-notch mechanical accuracy, top-notch reliability, smoothest autopistol action you will ever feel

Downside = single column magazine, most have the euro-style magazine release, very high price, not many after-market mods
 
Mr Blue:
I have seen spring issues with the CZ85 (Old), the CZ75 (brand new), one of the .40 cals that cracked belonged to a member of my club at the time and another shooter who I knew from matches also had it happen. I've seen a P9 with a cracked frame, again this was an old gun. I've also seen 15 year old CZs that kept chugging along.

There is a fairly recent comment on failures here:
http://pistol-training.com/archives/3218
Anecdotal I know, but that is all you will get on an internet gun board.

Don't get me wrong, they are a great platform and a Shadow with Kadet unit is high on my list of future purchases. If I had a 75B instead of my Beretta I wouldn't feel be able to justify the purchase of a Beretta - the CZ is a better gun when it comes to shooting fast and accurately.
 
The Browning Hi Power can have a very good trigger out of the box, or a mediocre one. The also are a bit heavy in pul due to the heavy main spring. Mine (MK III) has a great trigger, and it remains 100% stock and unmodified in any way.

If you can find one, and they are out there at decent prices, slightly used, get the BHP. If you can't a CZ-75 variant is the way to go. My three favorite 9MM's are:

BHP
CZ-75
HK P7

You can not go wrong with any of these.
 
I have an SR9-C and love it! I'd definitely vote for that, sweet pistol. For the money, I don't think you can beat it.
 
My personal choice is a discontinued gun but a very good one none the less, the HK P7M8. legal for IDPA, extremely accurate, holsters and such are easily available. Not too much aftermarket but then it really doesn't need anything. Reliable as any gun I have owned.

Beyond that I would say Glock, my 17 has a trigger that rivals a 1911, is very reliable, as accurate as I am ( and I am no slouch), and they have tons of aftermarket support.
 
Beyond that I would say Glock, my 17 has a trigger that rivals a 1911, is very reliable, as accurate as I am ( and I am no slouch), and they have tons of aftermarket support.

either that's a seriously worked over glock, or you have shot the worst 1911 of all time :eek:
 
I'd second the Walther P99. It has the best trigger configuration on the market, in my view (AS): It is accurate, it is reliable, it is dependable with all types of ammo and in all sorts of conditions, and you can get plenty of bells and whistles to tack onto it -- from scopes to red dots to lasers to night sights to ... well, you name it.
 
Plenty of good choices here, but for your purposes it sounds like a 9mm 1911 is the ticket; I've been thinking about that market myself. A friend of mine has a CZ 75 that is pretty amazing as well.

I'd also suggest not overlooking the Ruger SR9 series, I have the SR9c and its got probably my favorite trigger after my 1911. I even like it better than my Sigs SA trigger, and that's saying something! Very little take up/over travel, extremely nice and clear reset (for me) makes followups a breeze.

I guess the first full sized SR9's had crappy triggers, and I can't say from experience if the newer full size have as good triggers as the compacts, since I don't own a full size, yet.

But that's just me, YMMV.
 
Arthury:
I cannot speak to current production Para-Ordnance guns. My experience is around 8 years old. I have shot the P16-40 & P14-45, I owned the P16 several friends have owned the .38 Super variants.
Basically Para parts are not very durable. It wasn't unknown in my circle to have replaced all of the internals after a year of heavy IPSC shooting. My P16 never ran right, but it was second hand when I bought it. The 10 round .38 Super/9mm mags were unreliable.

If you want a double stack 1911 style gun then look at the STI Edge/2011, or if you can find one the BUl M5 / Charles Daly. I've a Bul M5 in 9mm/.38 Super (two barrels). I've achieved 1.5 inch groups at 25 meters with it and had 100% reliability in .38 Super and also in 9mm after the extractor was tweeked, there were a few 9mm failures to eject prior to that. The trigger is three pounds and crisp straight out of the box. In my experience STIs Edge is better again, but more expensive. I would still take a Shadow as my first choice. I'll never buy another Para Ordnance product. They look good and feel good in the hand, but the ones i had experience with were not up to long term high round count usage.
 
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