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Need help choosing 1st 9mm

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by .45&TKD, Nov 1, 2007.

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  1. .45&TKD

    .45&TKD Member

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    I've been groping for a reason to get a 9mm. I was a .45 1911 snob for a long time and have recently branched off to the .40 in Glock 22 and I like it.

    The reason I've come up with to get a 9mm is common availability of ammo. In a TEOTWAWKI situation I could imagine eventually running low or running out of certain ammo calibers. It makes sense to have at least one 9mm in the collection. Because of the TEOTWAWKI and ammo availability scenario, I think a 9mm that can safely shoot reloads and lead bullets is important.

    Criiteria:
    -Full Size preferred (I carry a full size 1911 now)
    -Double Stack Hi Cap preferred (to take advantage of smaller cartridge)
    -No Polymers (Lead reloads eliminate the Glock)
    -New, used, or milsurp OK
    -Steel frame preferred, but could compromise with AL alloy if a better platform
    -$300-600 price range

    I'm thinking either a used Sig P226 or one of the CZ's. (And I know almost nothing about these two).

    Are there any other options? Any opinions? Thanks for your help.
     
  2. 1BLINDREF

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    Little help???

    I think that you are on the right track with a P226 or a CZ75. Both are quality guns that will serve you well.
    Try them both and pick the one you like best.
     
  3. .45&TKD

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    The End of the World as we know it.
     
  4. RUT

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    >>recently branched off to the .40 in Glock 22 and I like it.<<

    Then how about a Glock 17?
     
  5. D-Man

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    And I feel fine.

    Ok, with that out of the way......

    A used P226, new CZ75, and new Beretta 92 come to mind offhand.
     
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    Thanks!!
     
  7. Hokkmike

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    P-226.
     
  8. deacon

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    45...


    The Sig is a traditional DA/SA and I believe the CZ can be had in either single action or traditional DA/SA flavor.

    It seems from reading your post that you prefer/have had either a single action or safe action pistol type.

    In keeping wth that traditon, I cannot recommend enough a Browning Hi-Power. It meets all of your criteria and should serve you well. It may take a little while to find one though...it did for me anyhow. But after about 2 years of looking, I finally got a NIB practical for $ 399.99 at a local Gander Mountain and couldn't be more satisfied with the purchase.

    Anyhow, keep us posted and good luck :)



    Brad
     
  9. .45&TKD

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    Deac,

    You're right, a BHP would fit the bill as well. Thanks.
     
  10. Rangegod

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    Here's a hint:

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    JAC
     
  11. Ninja42

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    CZ75b, that is certainly what you are looking for! Its all stell, has a 17 shot magazine, 19 if you take the wonderful SP01 variant, and its fairly cheap even from new. Oh, and did I mention that it is one of the finest shooters on the planet? Buy one, I swear by the gods that you will not regret it.
     
  12. Lonestar49

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    INDEED.. Rangegod

    Quote: Here's a hint:
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    Just find that wallpaper, and you have the right choices hanging on your wall.


    Ls ;)
     
  13. .45&TKD

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    Does the BHP feed hollow points reliably? That would be another criteria.
     
  14. R&J

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    I Suggest Your Logic Is Faulty...

    Forgive me, but IMHO, the cost of an aftermarket barrel should not preclude the awesome G17 from consideration as a TEOTWAWKI fall-back weapon. In fact, I'd argue that it is your best choice for such a purpose.

    Let me explain myself.

    There are two reasons not to use reloads in a Glock:

    1) While Glock's rifling does squeeze a bit more speed from a given ammo, it does promote lead fouling, which is a maintenance problem.

    2) While the slightly looser tolerances of the Glock firing chamber do contribute to its legendary reliability--repeat legendary--under a vast number of operating conditions, they are not suitable for reloads due to the minute case swelling the chamber-fit allows.

    Consider a famous inverse--the high-precision German Luger, which would not operate reliably in the cold of the Russian Front, where you might really need it! The tolerances were too tight! The design too fussy! :uhoh:

    Shooting reloads from a Glock is easily addressed...

    The following offer quality aftermarket barrels for the G17:

    http://www.stormlakebarrels.com/home.aspx

    http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=GLOCK

    http://www.lonewolfdist.com/

    All of the above will allow naked lead reloads, and perform reliably and accurately in the G17.

    What's more, all common repair parts can be readily purchased for the Glock 17, and stocked on standby. Isn't this desirable for a TEOTWAWKI 9 mm? :confused:

    All the best accessories, like 33-round magazines and six inch barrels, laser sights and weapon-lights, night sights and magazines, are readily available for the Glock 17. Isn't this desirable in a TEOTWAWKI 9 mm? :)

    A minimal tool kit for a Glock consists of:

    1) Glock Armorer's Tool
    2) Bore Brush
    3) Oil Can

    Some people clean their Glocks in a dishwasher! :what: Isn't this perfect for a SHTF, EOTWAWKI 9 mm? :rolleyes:

    The Glocks were designed so that we could take apart 100 G17s, throw the parts in a basket, and quickly reassemble 100 9 mm combat handguns in as little time as possible, using minimal tools. Is this not a winning trait in a TEOTWAWKI 9 mm? :D

    My 3rd Gen G17 has nearly 7000-rounds through it, including DT +p ammo, without one hiccup.

    Our 3rd Gen G17 & G19 have handled the 33-round magazines without one glitch, using all manner of ammo types--including +p hollow points.

    The Glock 17 has the well earned reputation for a world class, field-proven, 9 mm combat platform, that dates back some 27-years. It is the most popular 9 mm semi-auto currently employed on the planet. Doesn't that speak to you? Be logical--this is your criterion, don't forget... :scrutiny:

    My advice for TEOTWAWKI: Get a good auto-loading shotgun. Get a G17 and a G19 as back up! ;)

    --Ray

    P.S. Also, your G22 can be converted to 9 mm with a KKM conversion barrel--something to consider as the apocalypse draws near! ;)
     
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    CZ all the way:D Best shooter I own.
     
  17. .45&TKD

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    R&J,

    Isn't it the unsupported chamber in the Glock that makes reloads hazardous?

    I don't see how the aftermarket barrels would solve that.
     
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    +1 on the CZ SP-01, tough as nails, eats pretty much anything you can throw at it, reliable, 19 round mags, great "hand feel".

    For a SHTF/TEOTWAWKI it also has a KADET .22 conversion as well for about $250 bucks.

    I admit to loving mine.......
     
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    In glocks, the chamber and the barrel is basically the same piece of metal, so by changing the barrel to a reload friendly one you are actually getting a similar barrel with a tighter chamber cut into one end.

    In fact, I cant really think of any autoloader where the chamber and the barrel are seperate.
     
  20. kentucky_smith

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    I'd be looking at either CZs or BHPs...
     
  21. goon

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    I just got a used P-226 CPO.
    Reliability seems perfect but I have only shot a couple hundred rounds through it up to now. But I don't forsee any issues.
    The grips didn't fit my gun quite right so I emailed SIG and they sent me new grips in the mail. It's perfect now.
    It's what I would get.
    Actually, if I had bought a P-226 as my first I would probably not have ever wanted to buy anything else.

    BTW - the BHP is also a good gun. I've never heard of any issues with them using JHP's and they have been around for a LONG time.
    A local gunsmith I used to talk with a lot said that in 50 years of working on guns he had never worked on a BHP. That says something for them.
     
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    +1 to what R&J said about a Glock and a different barrel. I wouldn't get a new barrel for any fears about the unsupported chamber but because the OEM polygonal rifling gets fouled up with lead which results in over pressure.

    Additionally if it is a true TEOTWAWKI situation I think two long term problems are going to be parts availability and mag availability because sooner or later you will break something. If a simple trigger spring or magazine breaks I think the chances of finding another Glock or Glock mag to use for parts is higher than it would be for any other gun. I may be wrong and am only guessing.
     
  23. foxmoor

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    Cz Sp-01!
     
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    CZ75/85 series, you won't regret it.:)
     
  25. glk23

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    Listen to the others, get a CZ; either a 75 or SP01. You will not be sorry buying one.
     
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