Need Help With Browning HP Jam

[Tecolote]

My buddy’s Browning HP had a weird jam the other day. The empty shell jammed between the barrel and the ejection port, it was horizontal with the port, facing backwards. When he removed the mag, a live round fell out the mag well. He had about four rounds left in the mag. He cleared the jam, reloaded the round, and went ahead and kept firing. That’s the only problem he had that day. He was using WWB Value Pack in a FEG mag. Any suggestions for fixes?

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[Abakan]

Try a new recoil spring or a different extractor.

 

[wally]

If its not repeatable, don't worry about it, could be a limp wristing or stovepipe type of failure.

If it repeats. First thing to do is try a different mag to determine is its the mag or the gun. If its not a stovepipe type limp wristing failure, I'm betting on a magazine problem.

With a true stovepipe, the slide literally catches the empty out of the air and jams. The empty can have any orientation when it jams. Basically impossible without "limp wristing" to let the gun come up and back as much as the empty does after ejection. I watched in disbelief as my sister had failure after failure with my Beretta Jetfire 25ACP. Standing a bit off the side I could see what was happening. Firmed up her grip and problem went away.

A defective mag can casue this by knocking the empty off the extractor before it hits the ejector.

--wally.

 

[Josey]

Forget it. FEG mag said it all. Use quality mags. Pitch the FEG mag in the trash.

 

[tc300mag1]

If Did it only one dont worry about it .. Now if it starts doing in 3-4 times a mag then its time to worry ive had sheels bounce back into the gun and jam Them when shooting to close to wall at the range

 

[wally]

Any particular mag can be defective, but nothing in general is wrong with the FEG mags that came with my FEG HiPower clone. They also work fine in my FM HiPower.

Now there are crap USA & ProMag brand stuff made for most guns and some unscrupulous sellers call a USA or ProMag brand mag for FEG a FEG mag which it is not. Cheaper Than Dirt's Catalog is one place you have to really read the fine print, they are otherwise a reliable vendor, but do have this sleazy listing style in their most recent catalogs.

Some of the Pro Mags work, but I've yet to find a reliable USA brand mag -- I've quit trying.

--wally.

 

[HankB]

I usually carry a MkIII BHP, and shoot it in IDPA - unlike some other handguns (notably my Glock 17) the BHP is NOT in the least sensitive to "limp wristing."

Is your buddy's BHP a recent one? Which model?

Now there are crap USA & ProMag brand stuff

ProMags are crap? ProMags work fine in my BHP. I used them exclusively in a 2-day class a couple of years ago (well over 1000 rounds) with exactly zero malfunctions of any type, shooting WWB. They continue to work perfectly.

 

[Tecolote]

It's a MkIII with the enlarged ejection port. Hopefully the bobble was a fluke.

 

[wally]

I said some ProMags work.

I have a ProMag for my Para P10 it works. I've tried ProMag P12 & P14 mags and they were crap. Tried a pair of ProMag for my Taurus PT945 they were crap. You've got BHP ProMags that work.

My advice as to ProMags: Don't buy 'em from a place that won't take them back!
Forget about USA brand completely.

--wally.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Before you throw anything away, or replace anything. Remove the extractor and clean under it.

The spring that powers the extractor is small, and a little bit of powder/primer residue can build up enough to make it stovepipe.

You problem was NOT a magazine jam, it was a failure to extract. The gun tried to go back into battery, popping the next round from the magazine before the empty shell was clear shell was clear--it simply couldn't chamber because the brass was in the way.

I've used mags from FEG, Pro-Mag, Ramline, FN, FM, etc etc. Never had a magazine-related jam that wasn't my fault. (ie improperly seated.)

 

[mete]

Did you look at the case ? There can be many problems with cases even if not too common . Primer put in backwards, primer pocket but no flash hole,no extractor groove or groove out of dimension, other dimension problems.