Need SeeThru-Rings for a Savage 11FCNS

[Firestix]

I recently bought a Savage 11FCNS .243 and a Nikon prostaff scope. I'm looking to mount it but I can find little to no information on proper scope mounting equipment for my model. I want a See-Thru mount because I plan to have iron sights added by a smith. Any ideas would help me tremendously!

Thanks in advance! ...and Happy New Year!

 

[rcmodel]

I think you need to rethink that plan.

See-Through mounts raise the scope so far above the stock it is difficult to get a good cheek-weld for best accuracy.

They also raise the scope so far above the bore your trajectory will be altered from normal scope height.

There is little reason I can think of to ever need to use open sights when you have a good scope already sighted in and just setting there waiting for you to use it!

Scope covers can be used in inclement weather to keep the glass clear until it's time to shoot.

If you want back-up iron sights in case the scope breaks, fine.
In that case, just loosen the two clamps and take the broken scope clear off out of the way.

rc

 

[Firestix]

Thanks rc,

I haven't thought of the cheek-weld isse. In light of that ... why would they even make a see-thru? And I still need some info about mount/ring models for the 11 FCNS.

I'll have to rethink the see-thru ... what about coarse sighting?

Any others care to weigh in?

Thanks again!

Firestix!

 

[rcmodel]

Why do they make them?

If you make it, they will come!
And buy some!
Doesn't make it a good idea though.

I don't know what you mean by "course sighting" but assume you mean very close range or something?

It is one of the prices you have to pay if you choose too much power when selecting a scope.
Which seems to me to be a common beginners mistake, getting worse every year with all the very high power sniper scopes being put on 250 yard deer rifles!

Most deer hunters would be far better served with a 2x-7x variable with a very wide field of view at the low power setting.

As fast as open sights up close, and just enough power at the high setting to make long shots out to the effective range of the rifle & shooter.

rc

 

[Firestix]

I purchased a 3-9 X 40 ... I assume thats decent enough. Any ideas where I would get the correct model number for mounts/Rings? I checked the weaver website and couldn't find my rifle model.

Firstix

 

[rcmodel]

Your Savage 11 FCNS should be a standard short-action 110.
If it was made before 2003 with the flat rear receiver ring it would use Weaver #61 & #46 bases.
Post 2003 with accutrigger and round rear receiver ring would use two #46.

Pick your poison:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#11 scope base____-_1-2-4_8-16-32

rc

 

[Firestix]

Thanks rc,

I've seen the model 110 on many ring/mount websites but didn't know that the 110 and the 11FC were the same. Where did you go to find that out ... I swear I searched and searched to no avail. Thanks a million!

-Firestix

 

[rcmodel]

In the beginning, there was the standard 30-06 length 110 action.

More recently, they have made them in medium action and standard length action.
With small, standard, and magnum bolts and different magazines for super-short, short, standard, and magnum length cartridges.

There are many different models of the 110 series designed for different purposes.
11/111 "Hunter" (blued carbon steel) medium & standard length models
16/116 "Weather Warrior" (stainless steel) medium & standard length models
10/110FP "Law Enforcement" medium & standard length models
14/114 "Classic" medium & standard length Models
12 "Varmint" Models
10FP "Law Enforcement" models

But when you get right down to it, they are all built on the 110 medium or standard length action, one or the other.

Where it got complicated was in 2003 when they changed some of them from the flat rear bridge to the round rear bridge receiver.
Now, you have to know which one you have to get the right mounts.

rc

 

[Ed7oh]

I just bought a Savage 111 FHNS 270 win. need info.

hello; as I have said in my title I have bought a brand new out of the box 111 FHNS 270 win 22" blued rifle with the Accutrigger and Accustock and I bought this rifle with a hindged floorplate magazine so I have to load this rifle from the top, no removable Mag, so what height base and scope rings do I need to be able to load my rifle with out having all the trouble of not being able to get my fingers and loads in without having enough clearance between the scope and the reciever and of coarse my fingers, I don't want to high to sacrafice my accuracy or my trajectory, but I don't want it so close that I can't load the rifle either so what is the best height for the rings to do this Med. or High, I know small is to close for my hands. does anyone have my rifle and have a scope already mounted that understands what I am asking by experience, there is not a lot of room to load if the scope is to close to the reciever so I really need someone who is in the same boat as I, I chose the no detachable mag do to all the stories of people having them just fall out or bump the firearm and have the Mag just falll so I chose to loose just the ammo if the Mag opened without me knowing it ,thanks

 

[rcmodel]

Trust me, you can load any bolt-action, with any scope, in any height rings.

You just toss a round in the space on top of the mag well, and mash it down with your thumb.

You want the lowest rings you can get that still allow the scopes objective bell to miss the barrel and the rear power adjsutment ring to clear the bolt handle.

I can't tell you what height rings you need, because you didn't say what scope you have.
But, most low power fixed and 33mm variables will use low rings, 40mm varibles use med rings, and 50mm and larger use high rings.

rc

 

[cz85cmbt]

No sir RC I just want to bust your balls but if you put a scope on a mannlicher style en bloc rifle you better load your rifle before mounting the scope otherwise you won't be able to shoot it.

 

[jmr40]

I like the idea of back up irons, but use quick detachable mounts instead of see through. Even the Weaver style rings come off quickly with just a screwdriver. You do carry some sort of multi-tool with you don't you?

You will have no trouble loading a Savage with even the lowest rings if you stay with 2 piece bases. A 1 piece base will be slightly more difficult, but not anything a normal human cannot accomplish.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

Just use your scope, see through rings will take all of the advantage out of having a scope by ruining your cheek weld.

 

[dacavasi]

FWIW, I bought the Savage model 11 FHNS (same as the FCNS except for a hinged floorplate instead of a removable mag), mounted a Weaver 4-14x40 on it using off-the-WM-shelf Weaver medium mounts. Bell clearance is about 2-3mm, which is just perfect for my purposes. You can access a complete list of base/mount recommendations tabulated on the Weaver web site, as well as Optics planet and other scope-related sites. As RC mentioned just make sure you identify your receiver shape (Accustock FHNS should be round) before buying the bases.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I think you need to rethink that plan.

See-Through mounts raise the scope so far above the stock it is difficult to get a good cheek-weld for best accuracy.

They also raise the scope so far above the bore your trajectory will be altered from normal scope height.

Exactly, yes, +1. Forget the irons and get GOOD base & rings and mount it as low as possible. A scope is your only needed sighting device on a rifle like that, and besides, see-through rings are generally crap, with the exception the Weavers.

The only guns I put see-throughs on are my multi-barrel combo guns with both shotgun & rifle barrel. The irons are used for the shotgun, and the scope for the rifle.

Take that back - I have one other long gun set up with Weaver see-throughs - a CZ 452 Luxe - but that is only because I cannot stand to have those awesome iron sights *already on* the gun 'go to waste.' And I had an extra Bushnell Banner lying around un-used.

Forget the see-throughs. If you must however, go with Weaver.

On a different subject:

Ed7oh: Get the lowest rings that work with your chosen scope. No matter the type, you will have NO problems loading - you put one round at a time in the top (from the side, under the scope), and push them down into the fixed magazine with your thumb or fingers. Be thankful you have a fixed mag model, and not a cursed detach. I have an Icon "Orginal Medium Action" in .243, and lemme tell you T/C screwed up an otherwise perfect rifle with the detachable mag. Still a great rifle, but man it was so *close* to perfection.

 

[Yarddog]

I'm new to this site But I'm not new to hunting. I have a 06 Rem. BDL 700 & had raised
mounts on for 25 years, no problem as it helps when going to & from the stand, if you
jump onr up I use the see through to get on em QUICK & look through the scope for the
shot. Harvest many a deer with that gun & still till this day never had to adjust scope.PS I got a Bushnell 3.5x10x50 on it
Y/D

 

[highorder]

See-thru rings are not the devil incarnate, just less than ideal.

Modern scopes are reliable. Get a 2x-7x or similar and forget the irons.