Need suggestions on a Multi rifle.

[RecycledTape]

I'm in need of a new rifle, and my current collection isn't quite enough. The purpose of this rifle would be to hunt, self defence, or trek a LONG ways into the woods. Maybe a potential combat range of 50 yards and higher

Criteria:

Must have provision for optics and irons (over and under)

Easy to maintain

Reliable

Subjectively good accuracy in your opinion.

Any kind of action, Bolt/slide/semi/other

Carbine to middle size rifle

Lightweight, but doesn't have to be featherweight ~ 8 lbs and under.

.308

Budget is a 1000 and under.


My right hand doesn't full twist to make a flat palm, *pretty close* so it makes using C stock weapons challenging. I'd prefer a thumbhole, or pistol grip stock, or any kind of stock that is easy on the turn for my hand.

 

[Dksimon]

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_VL_SS_thumbhole.asp

Im not sure of the price but it looks like it would fit what you need.

If you are looking for a rifle that would be more along the lines of HD I am a huge fan of the CX4 although I dont know how well it would do at long range. It is also available in .40 SW if 9mm wouldnt be enough power for you.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98105972

 

[RecycledTape]

Is it only in .223?

I was hoping for something with a little more UMF.

The thumbhole stock is a +. Thanks

Nice carbine, a bit pricey for a 9mm yes?

 

[Dksimon]

Yea I think it is a bit pricey but I think the guns are great. You might be able to get one cheaper than that if you want to buy used.

The Remington model 700 is also available in 22-250 which is what I use for deer. (not that model but same caliber)
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98049623
It look like that rifle weighs in at just a touch over 9 lbs so it may be out if you want to stay strict to your 8lbs limitation.

You may also want to look into aftermarket stocks. Alot of popular rifles are easily outfitable with aftermarket thumbhole stocks.

 

[owlhoot]

What you want is a Marlin, Winchester, etc. lever action carbine. Either 30-30 or a magnum pistol caliber. The Marlin is the only one that readily lends itself to optics; takes a standard Weaver base.

 

[CypherNinja]

Not that I know anything about rifles, but what about this?

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336W.aspx

Seems to meet most of your criteria (dunno about SD), and clocks in at <500 bucks. You could also get it in .45/70 or .308MarlinExpress if you wanted. 357 or 44, as well.

EDIT: owlhoot beat me to it. Serves me right, dawdling before I hit the submit button.

 

[RecycledTape]

Love lever actions, love the sights, love that I could scabbard them.

Would fit the bill, but my right hand doesnt do good with it.

I own a bit of Cstock conventional grip weapons, but the right hand has a bit of trouble with it.

 

[BlazingAngel01]

Savage 10FP 18'' 308

I am building the the long one with some fun stuff but its $600ish new.

 

[RecycledTape]

Looked it up. It's excellent, has the .308 and the stock in some cases.

And you say your building one?

 

[BlazingAngel01]

Yes sir,

I just took out the barrel and the Receiver with "Accoutrigger" and I am using the "Choate ultimate Sniper stock. The rings are Barksa 30mm heavy duty tac 1". The scope is "Counter Sniper Crusader 4-16x42". I would love to get a Silencer for it but I cant.

I have seen this rifle make a Remington 700 30-06 look bad.

 

[Organdonor]

DPMS .308 AR

They are under $1000 from RRARMS online, and a couple of other places.

It will be reliable, easy to break down and clean, and accuracy will be excellent. Super easy to install optics on, and can have iron sights.

I don't know if you wanted that <$1000 price to include the optics... but the DPMS without the optics and sights will come in just under $1000.

 

[Tarvis]

How about a scout-type rifle? Light for packing around all day, long eye relief for fast aiming with something like a 4 power scope, irons would'nt be absolutely necesary, but a quick detach scope mount or high rings with holes underneath so you can see the irons is an option, easy maintenance of a bolt gun, cool factor of 8.7, plus not many people have 'em. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=31&variation=Target%20Grey%AE%20Frontier%20Rifle&bct=Yes&type=Rifle

Also, I heard savage used to make one, could call them and ask if you can special order one; I heard they have really good customer service from a dealer. Steyr makes the scout model rifle as well, which was endorsed by Jeff Cooper but they are pretty expensive and kinda look like a space gun to me; they don't have that classic feel to them. http://www.steyrarms.com/index.php?id=164

EDIT: Link to a savage scout: http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=510&Category_Code=FIREARMS+R+BAR+SA

 

[cluttonfred]

Saiga .308 with thumbhole wooden stock or optional synthetic skeleton stock. You should be able to get either for about $400.

 

[Tarvis]

You should be able to get either for about $400.

Then you need to do a conversion, right?

 

[coinshooter]

Savage started making there scout again. I am looking at ordering one next week.

 

[Thernlund]

How about one of these...

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=17914

Although I don't have this exact model, I do have a M77 MKII in 308. Good rifle. Very accurate.


-T.

 

[trstafford]

CZ 527 Carbine

try one of these in 7.62 x 39

http://cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=15

 

[xx7grant7x]

+1 for the DPMS LR-308 beautiful well made gun excellent fit/finish and accurate to boot mag fed for quick reloads and semi automatic for quick followup shots plus 5 round mag for legal hunting purposes

 

[cluttonfred]

Tarvis wrote:

Then you need to do a conversion, right?

I don't see any need to do a conversion and yes, the price I mentioned is just for the rifle. I have seen the .308s as low as $350 and the others $250. I don't personally feel the need for more than the stock Saiga magazine capacity (8+1 rounds of .308 or 10+1 rounds of .223 or 7.62x39).

Plenty of battle rifles managed with 10 shots or less, in fact all of them that I can think of until the FAL and M14 and then intermediate power assault rifles became popular in the 50s and 60s. The lower mag capacity would also be more suited to the kind of mixes use the OP mentioned, and in some places he would need an even lower-capacity magazine when hunting anyway.

It's also worth looking at other rifles on the Russian-American Armory page linked in my post above. Many of their conventional wood stock rifles seem to have a much more pronounced pistol grip than your average American rifle, that might also suit a limited-mobility hand.

 

[35 Whelen]

If you can find someone selling an FR8 and you are a do-it-yourselfer:

A person might also find one of the Israeli (?) 98 Mausers that were chambered in 308 and just have the work done. (sight & scope base mounted, barrel shortened)

Otherwise:

A Savage Scout.



It'd probably be cheaper to just buy the Savage as they're on Gunbroker for $508. But, you might find someone selling a Mauser Scout if you look enough.

35W

 

[R.W.Dale]

riteria:

Must have provision for optics and irons (over and under)

Easy to maintain

Reliable

Subjectively good accuracy in your opinion.

Any kind of action, Bolt/slide/semi/other

Carbine to middle size rifle

Lightweight, but doesn't have to be featherweight ~ 8 lbs and under.

.308

Budget is a 1000 and under.

You just described a Remington 7600P or just a carbine-ized 7600
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7600.htm

Either way their as accurate as any of the bolt actions mentioned above, Much easier to maintain than a semi. As reliable as your right arm and lastly their quite affordable either used or new.

I think you should reconsider on the O/U scope mounts though as all they do is prevent you from using the scope or sights to their fullest potential

 

['Bama Bammer]

You just described a Remington 7600P or just a carbine-ized 7600
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7600.htm

Either way their as accurate as any of the bolt actions mentioned above, Much easier to maintain than a semi. As reliable as your right arm and lastly their quite affordable either used or new.

Is that why I/we see so many Remington pumps at High Power and Benchrest matches? If any pump or auto anywhere is as accurate as a bolt rifle, then it won't be as reliable (enter the AR15). With pump and auto repeaters, in order to increase reliability, tolerances must be decreased, thus decreasing accuracy potential. To make them more accurate, tolerances must be increased, thus decreasing reliability.
That is known as reversely proportionate. Take the AK47 vs. AR15; One's extremely accurate, but not 100% reliable, while the other will fire with an action full of sand, but isn't near as accurate.

I think you should reconsider on the O/U scope mounts though as all they do is prevent you from using the scope or sights to their fullest potential

Excellent point. The Scout scope mounts such as those pictured a couple of posts up, are ideal and allow the scope to be quickly and easily removed so the sights may be used.

BB

 

[R.W.Dale]

Is that why I/we see so many Remington pumps at High Power and Benchrest matches? If any pump or auto anywhere is as accurate as a bolt rifle, then it won't be as reliable (enter the AR15).. To make them more accurate, tolerances must be increased, thus decreasing reliability.

BS I've shot a 7615 in highpower matches and have done just fine outshooting many an AR

With pump and auto repeaters, in order to increase reliability, tolerances must be decreased, thus decreasing accuracy potential

Where do you get this stuff? The same goes for any rifle. Do some research NEWBIE and you might find that part of what makes 7600's so accurate is their fully free floating barrel and AR-15 style rotating bolt head locking system. A rem 7600-7615 is pretty much an AR-15 with a manual transmission that DOESN'T have a bunch of crap hanging off the bbl

If any pump or auto anywhere is as accurate as a bolt rifle,

This thread isn't about benchrest bolt actions it's about sporter weight carbines in which case a 7600 is on a level playing field with your average Savemchester

That is known as reversely proportionate. Take the AK47 vs. AR15; One's extremely accurate, but not 100% reliable, while the other will fire with an action full of sand, but isn't near as accurate.

LOL dude! Lay off the episodes of future weapons YOU'RE KILLING ME. Your average USGI AR variant isn't likely to shoot much better than 3MOA WHOOPIDEY DOO! I guess that's your Idea of "One's extremely accurate" there's plenty of AK variants on this board beating that. This line leads me to wonder if you've even ever shot one of the rifles in question?

I'll take my pump action and shoot it against your SPORTER weight remchester bolt gun or lightweighr AR any day of the week

 

[rbernie]

If capacity and weight are more important than accuracy, go with a Saiga.

If accuracy is more important than anything else, go with a Savage and restock it to something that works for you. (FYI - the Choate stocks are HEAVY...)

 

[TimboKhan]

LOL dude! Lay off the episodes of future weapons YOU'RE KILLING ME. Your average USGI AR variant isn't likely to shoot much better than 3MOA WHOOPIDEY DOO! I guess that's your Idea of "One's extremely accurate" there's plenty of AK variants on this board beating that. This line leads me to wonder if you've even ever shot one of the rifles in question?

Where do you get 3 MOA from? Every off the shelf AR I have ever shot has been capable of better than that. Most of the ones I have shot are capable of at least 1.5MOA, if not better. My mini-14 will keep them at 3 moa, at least for a little while. I would like to see the AK variant that's as good as that, because I know my Saiga isn't, nor have any of the AK's I have ever shot been that good.

Now, with that said, for field purposes, 3 MOA is fine. We are lucky to have off the shelf rifles that are capable of 1 MOA if not better these days, and I think that has spoiled us a little bit in terms of what we consider useful accuracy to be. More accurate is fine, but 3 moa will get the job done pretty well.

Also, Krochus, c'mon man... You have been a member of this board long enough to know that name calling isn't acceptable.