Need suggestions on a Non-Firearm Weapon for a CA. resident
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Geronimo45
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Get a sturdy cane and affect a limp. You could kick the door hard and then you wouldn't have to fake a limp. Canes don't set off any alarm signals for most folks.
Careful on mace and tasers - may not be allowed in certain jurisdictions (police only weapons or something).
Careful on mace and tasers - may not be allowed in certain jurisdictions (police only weapons or something).
LeoC
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Don't forget nunchakus, 'ninja stars', and blowguns are also all illegal in California 
A folding knife is legal for concealed carry without a permit in most of California. Unlimited blade length, but it cannot be automatic (switch-activated) opening, and must have a 'bias to remain closed'. In other words, it shouldn't just fall open by itself.
Fixed-bladed knives, however, are generally not allowed for concealed carry. In some cases they can be open carried (ie. during hunting or camping). Doubtful you can get away with open carrying a fixed-bladed knife in urban California.
But it sounds like you're looking for something non-lethal. I believe Pepper Sprays are still legal in California, but I'd ask your local police office first what kind of restrictions and responsibilities of use that entails. Then there's always a 'safety whistle' you can blow to scare away the bad guys
A folding knife is legal for concealed carry without a permit in most of California. Unlimited blade length, but it cannot be automatic (switch-activated) opening, and must have a 'bias to remain closed'. In other words, it shouldn't just fall open by itself.
Fixed-bladed knives, however, are generally not allowed for concealed carry. In some cases they can be open carried (ie. during hunting or camping). Doubtful you can get away with open carrying a fixed-bladed knife in urban California.
But it sounds like you're looking for something non-lethal. I believe Pepper Sprays are still legal in California, but I'd ask your local police office first what kind of restrictions and responsibilities of use that entails. Then there's always a 'safety whistle' you can blow to scare away the bad guys
I too would go with the Mag-Lite. All the other options are still "purposeful weapons" and could still get you in trouble with "premeditation" or "intent to harm" etc.
I would go with a 6-cell Mag-Lite, unfortunately the 6-cell "C" lite is discontinued. It's thinner profile made it easier to carry, and use as a club. However the 6-cell "D" Mag-Lite is still availible, and you can get a "Grip n' Clip" from Nite-Ize which makes a handy hand-strap for the light.
Then, you might want to consider some "upgrades", The first one would be a LED upgrade module. Mag has them now, but they're not the best. Look into Terralux, here is an example: http://www.zbattery.com/db-3w.html
Note that the upgrade module is for a 3 battery Mag-Lite, and you have a 6 battery model. Make a spacer using PVC pipe or lightweight wooden dowel rod from the hardware store that's the length of three D cells, with contacts on the end and a wire running down it's length to carry the current. Install that first, then the remaining three D cells go in at the end twoards the tail cap.
You now have an impact weapon, with both reduced weight, and that weight concentrated at the tip, that's a functioning flashlight with an LED "bulb" that won't break under impact.
I would go with a 6-cell Mag-Lite, unfortunately the 6-cell "C" lite is discontinued. It's thinner profile made it easier to carry, and use as a club. However the 6-cell "D" Mag-Lite is still availible, and you can get a "Grip n' Clip" from Nite-Ize which makes a handy hand-strap for the light.
Then, you might want to consider some "upgrades", The first one would be a LED upgrade module. Mag has them now, but they're not the best. Look into Terralux, here is an example: http://www.zbattery.com/db-3w.html
Note that the upgrade module is for a 3 battery Mag-Lite, and you have a 6 battery model. Make a spacer using PVC pipe or lightweight wooden dowel rod from the hardware store that's the length of three D cells, with contacts on the end and a wire running down it's length to carry the current. Install that first, then the remaining three D cells go in at the end twoards the tail cap.
You now have an impact weapon, with both reduced weight, and that weight concentrated at the tip, that's a functioning flashlight with an LED "bulb" that won't break under impact.
22-rimfire
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When did guns become illegal in California? You might consider a knife, but I'm not a big knife person. There are so many choices. I am eying up the Bill Moran fixed blade (made by Spyderco) as one I'm gong to buy in the near future to try out. Something about that knife just keeps me going back to it for consideration.
A small flashlight (mag lite) makes a pretty good item to keep in your fist sorto of like brass knuckles without the knuckle part. But it would make your hand much stronger in a fight.
A small flashlight (mag lite) makes a pretty good item to keep in your fist sorto of like brass knuckles without the knuckle part. But it would make your hand much stronger in a fight.
1 old 0311
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Hammer, and screwdriver. Smash, throw, stab. 100% legal anywhere.
Under what circumstances would they carry this?
Are they able and willing to get at least 4 hours of training? 8? 24? 40?
Are they able and willing to get at least 4 hours of training? 8? 24? 40?
BrennanKG
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oicw,
Maybe a little context would help.
What sort of situation are you anticipating?
Have you explored any training/self-defense avenues?
While it's sometimes impossible to avoid crime/violence, you can make smart decisions about your environment and daily situations.
B.
Maybe a little context would help.
What sort of situation are you anticipating?
Have you explored any training/self-defense avenues?
While it's sometimes impossible to avoid crime/violence, you can make smart decisions about your environment and daily situations.
B.
Boom-stick
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Glass ashtrays, pool cues and beer glasses.
Come and hang around with me in South London and you'll see just how effective perfectly legal items can be
Come and hang around with me in South London and you'll see just how effective perfectly legal items can be
<"A folding knife is legal for concealed carry without a permit in most of California. Unlimited blade length, but it cannot be automatic (switch-activated) opening, and must have a 'bias to remain closed'. In other words, it shouldn't just fall open by itself.">
What about San Francisco? Can legaly carry my Buck 110 in SF? I'll be vacationing there later this year and I want to know what I can carry.
What about San Francisco? Can legaly carry my Buck 110 in SF? I'll be vacationing there later this year and I want to know what I can carry.
Geronimo45
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In SF you probably need a permit to carry fingernail clippers.
12GA00buck
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If you cant carry, the only sollution is to move somewhere that still believes in the 2nd Amendment. Alaska or Texas are sure bets
Sgt Stevo
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Get a protection trained dog. I will rent you one. Not cheap. But legal. Guns are not illegal just follow 12020 pc. I have an air taser. Legal as well.
MainFrameSoldier
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I think he is talking about Canada not California....
I am a true California native, live in the Bay Area.
Is this a Weapon or a self defense aid? If you are looking for a weapon, I hope you leave my fair state, but if you are exploring self-defense options, then perhaps I can make a few recomendations.
I have been know to carry any combination of the following in CA:
Surefire Z2 flashlight (with and without a TID attached)
Benchmade Onion axis-lock knife
CRKT M16 spearpoint knife
Spyderco Tasman Salt knife
Spyderco Civilian (this one may be difficult to explain)
Strider Hideaway neck knife
Jones Bros. stylus
Hinderer Kubaton (hey, it's a pen)
pepper spray
I have also carried these:
RotRing pen
big felt-tip marker (kubaton)
24" lengths of polycarbonate tubing (baton)
Is this a Weapon or a self defense aid? If you are looking for a weapon, I hope you leave my fair state, but if you are exploring self-defense options, then perhaps I can make a few recomendations.
I have been know to carry any combination of the following in CA:
Surefire Z2 flashlight (with and without a TID attached)
Benchmade Onion axis-lock knife
CRKT M16 spearpoint knife
Spyderco Tasman Salt knife
Spyderco Civilian (this one may be difficult to explain)
Strider Hideaway neck knife
Jones Bros. stylus
Hinderer Kubaton (hey, it's a pen)
pepper spray
I have also carried these:
RotRing pen
big felt-tip marker (kubaton)
24" lengths of polycarbonate tubing (baton)
If this is going to be carried by the person, go get them a big maglight (and hopefully some training) or possibly a large folding knife (along with some training).
If this is going to be something for "things that go bump in the night," I would sugest a small, powerful flashlight and a sword (and some training).
Notice a trend: people rairly "rise to the occasion," they usually "revert back to their training"
I would prefer a shotgun or a handgun with a light (and training), but a sword is certainly better than nothing.
If this is going to be something for "things that go bump in the night," I would sugest a small, powerful flashlight and a sword (and some training).
Notice a trend: people rairly "rise to the occasion," they usually "revert back to their training"
I would prefer a shotgun or a handgun with a light (and training), but a sword is certainly better than nothing.
Sunray
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"...nunchakus, 'ninja stars', and blowguns are also all illegal in California..." So California has ninja pygmies too. Up here ours are medieval as well. Morning stars are illegal here along with the nunchakus, shuriken and blowguns.
Davo
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I have heard that mag lights over 6 cells are considered weapons by law enforcement...but have never seen the law or asked an LEO about it.
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CWL said:
Benchmade Onion?
Do you mean Kershaw Onion?Black Majik
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Good question. But then, the Axis Lock is by Benchmade
10-Ring
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Taser & a mace Makes for a rapid attitude adjustment
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