Need to vent about gun etiquette...

[Flash!]

if you are trying to sell a product....any product...expect the prospective to buyer to inspect the merchandise..... do expect the buyer to fondle the merchandise all he wants....but taking it apart is going way too far on the buyers part.....

 

[kdave21]

"A gun at 5 grand is kiddie play to real collectors."

Forgot to say, I REALLY disagree with this statement. Is the guy who collects H&R single shots not a "real" collector? "I never see those sell for 5k. I am also an auctioneer, and around a lot of people who consider themselves collectors. I can think of a lot of definitions for the word "collector" but buying items at 5k a piece is not a requirement to be "real" in my book. That definition sounds a bit pretentious to me, but then, that might be the Iowa sneaking out of me again.

For those who can at least see where I am coming from, thank you.

 

[kdave21]

MT Gunny: In response to your question, no. I will not be letting him handle any of my future items intended for sale. For the record, I wouldn't say I know this guy. He bought the Remington Rand a year or two ago. I saw him again at an auction last winter, he was buying a rifle and I stopped and shot the bull with him (Note: I did not see him breaking the rifle down at the auction, or working over the action.). I honestly really never would have guessed that he would have handled any gun the way he did the Colt. Maybe you had to be there, but it wasnt like just slightly careless. Like I said, with the Remington, everything he did, AT LEAST had a purpose! I understand that it is a big deal that everything matches, etc. With the Colt it was just senseless mishandling.

 

[mcdonl]

"A gun at 5 grand is kiddie play to real collectors."

Forgot to say, I REALLY disagree with this statement. Is the guy who collects H&R single shots not a "real" collector? "I never see those sell for 5k. I am also an auctioneer, and around a lot of people who consider themselves collectors. I can think of a lot of definitions for the word "collector" but buying items at 5k a piece is not a requirement to be "real" in my book. That definition sounds a bit pretentious to me, but then, that might be the Iowa sneaking out of me again.

For those who can at least see where I am coming from, thank you.


Kdave... if that is Iowa sneaking out of you, then I like Iowa as much as Maine.

 

[notorious]

I will sell you my H&R single shot for half price, $2,500! I will even pay for the shipping! No gun snobbery involved!

 

[BHP FAN]

The H&R single shot,be it a Buffalo rifle in .45-70,a varminter in .223 [mine] or the ''Topper'' 12 Ga,has got to be one of the most reliable,dependable simple guns made,yet still one of the most under valued.

 

[notorious]

Actually, mine is the ultra rare H&R Pardner single shot 12 gauge 28" modified choke with American hardwood furniture. I upgraded it with the super tactical premium milspec clip-on plastic Hi-Viz sight on the front bead. Yeah... and if you want, I will throw in the elastic band 5 shotshell holder on the buttstock so you will have reloads at the ready like the Marines do with their speedfeed stock.

 

[Arcticfox]

Next time, try a polite statement like, "um, how about if we set this nice gun down over here for now. It is an antique, ya know."

 

[Macmac]

Well when I buy any car, truck, or motorcycle, even new, if the owner hands me the keys I assume I can test drive the vehical, AND inspect every bit of it, to include remove the sparl plugs and take a compression test twice. The first test is dry and the 2nd test wet.

I do pretty much the same thing with a gun. I may ask first, but pretty much I tell the seller I intend to, which seems to be your point.

He was the buyer, and when you handed the guns to him, you are pretty much allowing him to inspect the items right?

He may well know things about these guns you don't. Popping the cylinder in and out he may have felt something in binding, or looseness, and or perhaps he was checking clyinder to barrel gap, maybe the any gas checking at the top strap, and or even the cylinder release mechanism.

All I can say is when I am the buyer and someone hands me the keys, I go test everything there is to be tested. The same goes for anything else I buy.

 

[Macmac]

As to the gun snobbery I can't afford guns at 5 grand a pop either, but other people sure do. To them these guns are investments, and no 200 hundred dollar guns are investments really.

mcdonl, There is the auctions at AMSOKEG in Manchest NH, which produces a auction catalog, and most any guns in there are 'very' collectable.

These are out of my range as well, but those guys are real collectors who can afford to buy safe queens.

I am not a collector who can afford safe queens, but I know there are these others who can and do. To them 5 grand is nothing. Any gun for less, they won't even bother looking at.

I know of a local auction house in Farmington NH. where good 500 to 800 dollar colt 1911's are literally tossed into a milkcrate, untill the crate is filled and then they start another. I mean tossed!

If the gun was re-blued, or has a missing, or damaged part, it is original and so it isn't collectable by the standards collectors demand.

Guys collecting low dough items are more a hobbist. You can collect all the 50 dollar shot guns you want, but they will never be collectable.

I have a old cut down Iver Johnson 12 ga in a single shot configuration that someone mounted a piece of brake like tubing to and blued it. They added a brass shot gun front bead at the muzzel, and the stock has some sort of big burn marking, with assorted other dings and dents in the wood.

I like to shoot this gun with slugs too, and if I had 100 of these guns they still are not a collectable item. It would not be a collection as seen by a collector.

 

[notorious]

But it would be still be a collection of bike brake tubed brass front bead cut down Iver Johnsons nonetheless, no?

Whether or not something is collectible has no bearing having a collection of them.

Glad 99.32421% of the population do not live their lives according to the standards of TRUE gun collectors who turns up their collective well-heeled noses at the likes of a $3,500 Browning Cynergy.