Never again. From my cold, dead hands.

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Golden Hound,

So at what time do citizens say enough? What happened to the Jews reminds me of the frog that boiled. They gradually lost civil liberties until they came to accept that they were second class citizens in their own country. After that it was much easier for the state to do as it pleased.
 
Raystonn, you need to read Unintended Consequences by John Ross. There's a character in there you'll really appreciate.
 
Another MOT

This is why I love to come here. I thought there were very few of us around and I even live in Kentucky.

I'm the only pro gun Jew in my family. I'm always defending the cause. But I'm also the only one of the southern branch too.

Chuck
 
MOT here too, my family is all of Ukrainian origin and we lost about forty relatives in the war, my grand-father was at d-day, and his gun passion died with him. My Grandmother wont allow any guns in the house I am the only one, but my mom does like shooting, shes the only one.
 
Most of us are law abiding. Heck, in most states you can only get a CCW if you are law abiding.

It think it is hard to change that law abiding mindset when the government slips out of control. Remember, it's done slowly (as it has been done slowly here in this country).

Those in power know that they have to do it slowly, a baby step at a time.

I have to say that I am happy that the American people generally seem to be waking up and that NOW a majority seem to support RKBA unlike a decade ago when more believed the BS that more control would reduce crime.

Thankfully here in the U.S., the government overstepped the bounds at Waco and Ruby Ridge and showed the American people what they were really about. Perhaps that was the beginning of the turning point. The widespread support for Heller (both from the many state attorney generals who lined up in support as well as the general population surveys) showed that most of the country doesn't believe the anti's BS.

Ken
 
You are very right about the deliberate gradualism employed by the usurpers of individual rights, OhioPaints. This is something I've pointed out numerous times.

Each and every tiny little step toward abject tyranny must be resisted as fiercely as if your entire Constitution and Bill of Rights were burned to ashes tomorrow, your property confiscated, your guns taken away and your freedom of speech revoked.

Otherwise you are heading straight toward full statism. If the last great, free country on earth is squandered, we are in for a new Dark Age, one which we may never recover from. Does that sound melodramatic? Unfortunately, it is real.
 
The right to keep and bear arms has already been downgraded and abridged to the point of no longer presenting a credible minimum deterrence to any out of control, runaway government that chooses to use a declaration of martial law/state of emergency as a pretext to go the whole hog and remove arms from private hands.
 
The right to keep and bear arms has already been downgraded and abridged to the point of no longer presenting a credible minimum deterrence to any out of control, runaway government that chooses to use a declaration of martial law/state of emergency as a pretext to go the whole hog and remove arms from private hands.

That's not kosher.....
 
"Sure, today's Liberal-Fascists don't have the racial hatred that Hitler did, but they're Fascists nonetheless."


No they have hatred for those who think different than they do an stand in the way of their obtaining power. This thinking can lead down the same path.
 
That's not kosher.....
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You are of course welcome to substitute with cows, goats, sheep, and antelope.
 
kentucky bucky said:
"Sure, today's Liberal-Fascists don't have the racial hatred that Hitler did, but they're Fascists nonetheless."


No they have hatred for those who think different than they do an stand in the way of their obtaining power. This thinking can lead down the same path.

Their philosophy stems from the same Kantian source as that of the nazis: hatred of the mind, of reason, of the individual. The difference is, it is slower in pace but will ultimately be more successful and globally so.
 
By 1943, much heavier armament than submachine guns was required. Jewish resistance forces would be paper tigers in the face of the Reich's overwhelming superiority in experience and firepower.

Katrina was an unfortunate consequence of the moribund well regulated militia in possession of a truly formidable arsenal.

Actually, I have to object.

To fight a tyrannical power takes will and determination, and disregard for your own life in order to benefit those of your countrymen. Self-interest is a human trait that is very useless and harmful in a freedom fighter.

When my Grand Uncle began to lead the 8th Route Army on ambushes against the Japanese, it was led on all fronts. The Chinese Communist Resistance established an "underground" system, where information was sent from fighters on the field to the leaders, and back to the fighters through a messenger network that involved everyone, resturaunt workers, shoe shiners, agents disguised as vagrants and beggars. Therefore, all Japanese activity within the city or town would be closely monitored.

Now, these ambushes were never carried out in a so called "military" fashion. To do so would be risking capture and death. Rather, each man, or small team, operated independently. There are no-holds bar, no such thing as civilized moves. It was to kill the enemy as fast as possible. Usually, a man dressed as a civilian would place himself amongst an area with high Japanese military activity. Once the time is right, he will start firing, every single shot, well placed and deadly accurate. Usually, before the confused enemy even start to wake up from the shock of the attack, many dead and dying already littered the ground. And in the midst of the confusion, the attacker escaped by using traditional tactics taught in ancient martial arts, distraction devices such as firecrackers and smokescreens.

The Chinese agents were also extremely thankful of the fact that the Japanese officers LOVED the whorehouses, especially in Shanghai. The agents would usually wait for the officers to get in the brothels. Once the enemy has been completely consumed in the sexual act, and obviously unaware of their surroundings, the Chinese agents hiding outside would simply go into the room, pull out their pistols, and blast the scumbags away. By 1943, over 600 high ranking enemy officers were assassinated in Shanghai. Elsewhere, vicious guerilla attacks left more Japanese troops dead than the 8th Route Army have killed in conventional battles. The pressure on the Japanese was constant. Once a team had infiltrated a Japanese camp and killed a certain amount of enemy soldiers in random, accurate fire, the Japanese would usually round up the surrounding villagers and bring them to a wide open place. At that moment, a single rifle shot would ring out, from many hundreds of yards away, and the Japanese commander would fall dead.

These attacks came so often that the Japanese command in China began to fear for their own lives. Even so, officers fell dead on a daily basis, to the point that Hideki Tojo decided, in 1943, that the Chinese insurgency was even more threatening than the American military action in the Pacific, and transferred the majority of his most skilled generals to China instead of to the Pacific islands.

Even children participated in the guerilla movement in northeast China. My Grand Uncle recounted of one instance where two starving young refugees came to the headquarters of the 8th Route Army. After he talked to them, he found out that they were actually brothers, ages 8 and 10, whose parents and entire family were massacred by the Japanese in Heilongjiang. For weeks, they lived a life of begging in the nearby towns, living off of what the good locals could provide, until they came upon a sleeping Japanese soldier in the Mukden railway station. The 10 year old boy cut the throat of the soldier with his dagger, then took his rifle and pistol. The two hopped the train to Mukden and killed over 20 more Japanese troops, shooting from rooftops and alleyways, before they fled onwards to the Communist camp.

These are only some of Grand-Uncle's experiences during the War.
 
Guerrilla sorties to harass Japanese forces did not play a decisive role in that conflict by any stretch of the imagination. It took Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as a Soviet invasion.

Only a constant daydreamer who started to believe his own fantasies would assert that an ill-equipped, untrained and disorganized group of rebels with a cause could keep their government at bay much less throw it off.
 
Only a constant daydreamer who started to believe his own fantasies would assert that an ill-equipped, untrained and disorganized group of rebels with a cause could keep their government at bay much less throw it off.

Oh my gosh! The U.S. is still a British colony? Castro lost against Batista?

It seems that the Russians learned the opposite in Afganistan. The books aren't closed yet on the U.S. in Iraq and Afganistan.

"Those that fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it." Perhaps you need to study a bit more history.
 
The fact of the matter is that all of the combatants in those conflicts were not restricted almost solely to rifles, shotguns, carbines, and handguns when it came to the implements of war.

You might as well just forget it without some serious hardware, e.g., heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, man-portable anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns and missile launchers, recoilless rifles, and mortars.
 
The fact of the matter is that all of the combatants in those conflicts were not restricted almost solely to rifles, shotguns, carbines, and handguns when it came to the implements of war.

Ever hear of a "Molatov Cocktail"? Pretty easy to make and effective against a tank. ;-)

Likewise, the Iraquis are doing pretty good with IEDs.

In a guerilla war, there are no restrictions on the guerillas.
 
To fight the political in a venue there needs to be a name and a face so the people can remove that person from office. Seems by using groups outside of government to push agendas that the names and faces have dissapeared.

The new guerillas are groups like the Brady bunch that use pressure to push laws that are against our rights. Plus the people who give them money, we have no power to stop these people from trying to steal our guns except to exspose who they are.

The Nazis were socialist, remember that.

jj
 
You might as well just forget it without some serious hardware, e.g., heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, man-portable anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns and missile launchers, recoilless rifles, and mortars.

Just look at the Warsaw Ghetto for example. When an enemy force brings hardware to battle, this hardware can change hands within a matter of minutes.

How did a young boy and his brother in Northern China get a rifle and a pistol plus plenty of ammunition to use against the Japanese? The older boy killed a sleeping Japanese soldier with a knife and took his weapons. That is what he told my Grand Uncle when he and his brother came to the Communist encampment right after killing 20 more Japanese in a rooftop ambush.

The following videos are from a battle in northeastern China during the First Manchukuo War of 1933. Japanese occupiers made Qing Emperor Puyi as puppet ruler, then attempts to invade Mainland. 29th Guomingdang Army held off the enemy, slaughtered 10,000, and took countless supplies and weapons.

This is what the fighting was like.

WARNING: GRAPHIC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC2_HfkXc4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7tcl8_goQE
 
I find it ironic that a people, in general, who says "never again" votes for the same socialism that brought on the Nazis who killed millions and Comunist socialist who killed millions. I really don't understand the psycology of it all and wish you would explain it.

How can you vote for the gun grabbers? I mean you look at all the films in the history of the war and look at the graveyards full of dead Jews killed by socialist and the majority of the Jews seem to vote for the socialist who steal our guns.

jj
 
Just look at the Warsaw Ghetto for example. When an enemy force brings hardware to battle, this hardware can change hands within a matter of minutes.

Don't you understand that the ghetto struggle was an ultimate failure?

Asymmetric warfare strategies and tactics alone didn't carry the day sixty-five years ago, and they won't today.

Seriously, is anyone even attempting to think things through here?

If you raise a hand against your own goverment, then please assume that they will ruthlessly throw everything they have in their vast arsenal against you with the possible exception of nukes.
 
Don't you understand that the ghetto struggle was an ultimate failure?

In 1775, Great Britain was the most powerful empire in the entire world. Dozens of nations lie under the shadow of the Redcoats, the most elite fighting force on the globe. However, in two certain small towns called Lexington and Concorde, Massachusetts, several certain little "incidents" sent waves of defiance and courage throughout the world.

Masada was also a failure. But Yorktown heard the ringing bells of freedom.

In 1935, the Chinese Communist Party had less than 10,000 fighting men, and even less weapons. However, by 1946, when the People's Liberation Army was ready to face the ruthless Guomingdang for the final showdown, the PLA numbered almost 5 million, and countless weapons and ammunition.

A general who wins the support of the people essentially wins the war. A superpower can impose the most ruthless suppression of a culture or population, but the people's hearts will always prevail. Vo Nguyen Giap fought against both the French and the United States, and won his peoples' freedom.

The lessons of war and philosophy taught by ancient Daoist scholars are still in effect today. Just talk to Ted Nugent, or Mike Vanderboegh. They understand history and human social philosophy more than anyone else.

Jews were slaughtered in the terror that is World War II in Europe because they were ill-informed of the evil the National Socialists had in mind for their "opponents". If the European people were aware of what the Nazis had in mind, Hitler would probably just be remembered in history as a bar brawler and an attempted murderer.
 
In 1775, there was no significant firepower difference between the Brits and the Colonies. The difference was the Brits' cannons, which were only effective should the colonials have decided to fight them in a conventional battle.

Right now, the firepower difference between most governments and their citizens is simply astronomical.

The only hope would be ambushing supply lines in which weapons and ammo were being transported and distributing those items. This, of course, assumes that the supply line doesn't radio for help, and then an AH-60 comes by and miniguns everyone into ribbons.

Armed resistance in this modern era of attack choppers and laser-guided bombs would be a futile endeavor unless everyone is suicidal. Even if you escaped from a battle, the high chances that your base of operations or safehouses would get hit by a laser guided bomb means that you'd never be safe.
 
In 1775, there was no significant firepower difference between the Brits and the Colonies. The difference was the Brits' cannons, which were only effective should the colonials have decided to fight them in a conventional battle.

Right now, the firepower difference between most governments and their citizens is simply astronomical.

The only hope would be ambushing supply lines in which weapons and ammo were being transported and distributing those items. This, of course, assumes that the supply line doesn't radio for help, and then an AH-60 comes by and miniguns everyone into ribbons.

Armed resistance in this modern era of attack choppers and laser-guided bombs would be a futile endeavor unless everyone is suicidal. Even if you escaped from a battle, the high chances that your base of operations or safehouses would get hit by a laser guided bomb means that you'd never be safe.

Which means in the brave new world, governments would get total control over their people, and kill them at will?

Mike Vanderboegh wrote two great articles just a few years ago: "Unintended Consequences: Waco Rules vs. Romanian Rules", and "What good will a pistol do against an army?". Mr. Vanderboegh is a Patriot and an Alabama Militaman who understands the meaning of freedom, and the price we pay if we neglect it.
 
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