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Hey everyone.

I have never gone hunting in my life, been born in NYC, I left as soon as I could, even though I am in California.

I am leaning toward hunting because I do not want to eat animals that are full of hormones, anti biotics and have lived unnatural lives.

I don't see myself becoming a vegan.

My questions to the board are the following.

What do you like to hunt?
What tastes best?

How much meat do you typically get from a game animal and if it is a large amount, how do you store it?

Do any of you think that you could get most if not all your meat from hunting?

How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?

Many people are now becoming concerned about the quality of the food we eat and they believe many of our health problems are related to the processed foods we eat.

Nicki
 
Let me start by saying welcome to the world of the hunt.

I have hunted whitetail deer, rabbits, squirrels, turkeys (never got any of these yet), and various upland game birds. I have also hunted turtles and snakes both for pets and for food (not the same particular ones mind you).

I hunt for meat as well as for sport, and as well as to preserve that part of me which is by nature a hunter at the top of the food chain. That is no joke, I mean it. I also hunt for the sheer pleasure of walking in or sitting in the woods, fields, and deserts. The hunting is an add on to my enjoyment of getting into nature, and the actual kill a real bonus because a good hunt does not necessarily have to culminate in a kill.

I do all that yet I live in a fairly urban area. I live in New York, in Nassau County on Long Island, and do most of my hunting now in upstate NY. I have also hunted in California (lived in El Centro and Calexico for 4 years), Arizona, Nevada, and Maine.

I hunt with my son now whenever possible. He has bagged squirrel, and a black bear.

The best meat we have ever eaten was from that black bear. It was tender, something like beef, but with its own taste that was not very gamey tasting, certainly not as gamey as whitetail deer.

All of this cost a pretty penny and we do most of our hunting on the cheap. If you want to add up all the costs associated with a hunt, then the price of a pound of butchered venison would probably be at least $35 per pound, and upward to $75 per pound on some of my trips. I stay in inexpensive hotels (Motel 6) when on my trips because I do not have a place in the country and its too cold to camp for me. Add that up for 5 days to a week, add on meals (I buy stuff at the supermarket and eat it in my room, but sometimes eat at a restaurant), add on gasoline for a 200 mile round trip, plus another 50 miles per day for at least 5 days, add on cost of ammunition (enough to practice with through the year), add on cost of cleaning supplies for the firearm, add on license fees, add on special permit fees, add cost of equipment and supplies like deer scent, hand warmers, at least some new hunting clothing each year, and it can get expensive when all you get is one deer. If you get nothing, oh well, there is next season.

I am not sure how much meat in weight I have ever gotten from a deer before. I know at least a few of then weighed in at about 175 in the field. When dressed out, the skinned and butchered, the weight of meat and bones with which you are left is much less, I'd guess under 100, or under 75 pounds. I keep it in my freezer, and I share it with relatives.

Of course if I lived in a rural area, I would hunt for my food on a regular basis and it would cost much less. I know people who basically hunt within a 1/2 mile at m sot from there homes and get at least one deer, sometimes 2 per year; plus they get birds, and rabbits too. If lucky they might also bag a bear. If living out west they might also be lucky enough to hunt for elk (nice and big, lots of meat), or if they lived in a state like Maine they might get a nice Moose (the most meat on any deer). I hope to be lucky enough to hunt Moose someday.

Unless you are lucky enough to live in rural country, with good hunting nearby, don't even think of calculating the cost per pound of meat. There are just too many cost factors to consider., and it may seem cost prohibitive. The thing is, in a case like that, the hunt is just not about getting meat, or the cost per pound of meat. Hunting is much more than that. It is getting into nature, depending on your outdoors skills, learning and knowing about the prey, firearms or archery skills, friendship with fellow hunters and sportsman, going on side trip to fish, going out and hiking to your favorite spot, months of preparation scouting for game, staying in shape, keeping at a proficient level with firearms or bow. All of this stuff is priceless, and if you worry about the cost per pound of meat when all is said and done, well you will never understand hunting. Its not the meat you pay for, you pay for the whole package. In fact, unless you are starving and in dire need of food, the meat is not the end all be all of the hunt, it is the whole experience that counts.

All the best,
Glenn B

ps: Just wondering if you know the Collins sisters Chris, Patty, or Ronnie who live in, or lived in Fresno. They also used to live in NYC.
 
I like to hunt deer, rabbit, turkey and other small game. Turkey is a little tough and tasteless when wild. Deer and rabbit are pretty good.

The amount of meat depends on the animal, but I just freeze anything I am not going to eat within a week of the kill.

If you hunt enough you could get all of you meat from hunting, but not everyone has time to do so.

For small game, I spend very little per pound. The only cost is the bullet/shell. For deer, It costs a little under $1 a pound when I make sausage and jerky.
 
One at a time....

What do you like to hunt?

Push comes to shove, I'd rather be in the marsh shooting ducks or out on the prairie in a spread of rags hunting geese. This is my FAVORITE shooting, wing shooting, and there's just so much about duck hunting I love. Funny thing, I've always thought of myself as a rifleman, but I cannot get along without a shotgun. It just gets into the blood, I guess. Hard to explain.

What tastes best?

For me, wild pig. BBQed, as roast, in sausage, whatever. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE JAVELINA!!!!


How much meat do you typically get from a game animal and if it is a large amount, how do you store it?

My favorite hogs will go 100 to 150 lbs, but I'll take 'em anywhere smaller than 200 on the hoof for eating. The real bruiser boars are sorta gamey and tough. Off a 150 lb pig, figure 80-90 lbs maybe of meat???? That's really just a guess. The head and hide weigh a lot on the things.

I only have a small 8 cu ft freezer, so when it gets full, I just close the door on the trap up and start trapping again when I have room. I've just started trapping again since deer season, got a new trap. I'd borrowed one from a friend. I run the trap 2 times a week. In the last month I've caught 4 small ones. Jury is out, but I think I'll have little problem keeping meat in the freezer.

Do any of you think that you could get most if not all your meat from hunting?

Perhaps not HUNTING, but I have a hog trap now and I haven't had to buy pork since I started trapping.


How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?

The gas and feed it costs to run my trap, oh, and the 400 bucks a year I pay in property taxes on the place. Guess you gotta figure that in. If you have to lease, well, it's more. I'm fortunate in having a lot of hogs on my place, a LOT of hogs. I also have quite a good deer population.

It really is hard to justify hunting for the meat monetarily if you don't own land with lots of game, at least in the lower 48, have to pay for a lease or travel or whatever. Even at todays prices, beef is usually much cheaper. But game really is good for you and great eating. I do know, however, many folks that eat a LOT of fish/seafood. I live on the gulf coast on a major bay system. LOT'S of good fishing here. :D
 
Welcome and good luck to you. Take a look at the Hunting Mentors sticky above to see if there is anyone in your area willing to help out.

To answer some of your questions:

Yes, processed foods aren't doing us any favors.

You don't get nearly as much meat as you think from a game animal, but it depends on what you kill.

Most game meat freezes well so it will keep in a freezer, but wanting to go more old school you could learn about canning.

Look at the local laws regarding take limits. Depending on what you decide to hunt, what the take limits are and when the seasons are will determine how much food you will be able to put on the table.

Cost: Rifle $400, Shotgun $400, Ammo $100, Boots, $100 Knife $50
License and tags ??????

With the rifle you can take larger game and a shotgun for birds. You might consider throwing in a fishing pole too, there are still trout out there.
 
How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?

Ouch! I'd hate to do that math. Pound-for-pound, I'm sure I'd have spent less eating at Morton's Steakhouse, than I have by hunting.

Here in California, you'd probably do best hunting hogs (no season or bag limits, although you have to buy a tag for each hog), if you have access to land with hogs. If you have to drive a considerable way to get to productive land, it could turn into a money-losing deal. There's no way you would break even on waterfowl or upland game (turkeys, quail, etc) - the ammo, license and license stamps cost too much and the bag limits are too low.

Fishing might be a better option, depending on where you live.
 
In your area of the world cottontail rabbits are very plentiful and fairly easy prey once you learn how and where. Deer in Ca. is not so easy anymore, or wasn't when I left although I did get one in the early 80's just before I left, and elk would be cost prohibitive for you but sometimes a hunt can be priceless. In fact it would probably be cheaper to buy Elk meat cut and wrapped, than pay for a out of state hunting trip if cost is important. See what Buffalo meat is available to you perhaps.

The only elk I ever weighed after cut and wrapping was a cow that yielded 150 some Lbs. of wrapped meat. Never weighed a deer but then we do all our own and so not weighed by the processor.
 
What do you like to hunt?
Pigs
What tastes best?
Pigs & Venison

How much meat do you typically get from a game animal and if it is a large amount, how do you store it?
Enough meat to give away or have great BBQ's with. Storage requires a second freezer.
Do any of you think that you could get most if not all your meat from hunting?
I don't know how much meat you eat but teh simple answer is YES depending on where you live and how many tags you get.
How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?
? Good Question I'd bet it varies widely.

In California remember to shoot with all Copper ammo in the Dreaded Condor area.

IF you scout it properly you could easily find food in the Las Padres Forrest.
 
What do you like to hunt?
everything i can.

What tastes best?
deer, elk, pheasant, and antelope are the favorites in my house. my wife is not a fan of geese, but i am. i am not a fan of ducks, but my wife is. this question is heavily dependant upon the individual.

How much meat do you typically get from a game animal and if it is a large amount, how do you store it?
i don't know how much - it would depend on the game. there's a bit more meat on an elk than a pheasant. i store the meat by wrapping it properly and shoving it in the freezer.

Do any of you think that you could get most if not all your meat from hunting?
i do. there's me, my wife, and 3 kids and we spend less than $50/year on store-bought meat. in truth, we actually spend nothing on store-bought meat for us, but occasionally we'll have a bbq or something of the sort with friends over and we end up buying hot dogs and burgers for the kids.

How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?
i really don't have a clue - and i don't care. its healthier, its tastier, and i like hunting.

Many people are now becoming concerned about the quality of the food we eat and they believe many of our health problems are related to the processed foods we eat.
i agree with that as well, which is why we don't buy meat from the store.
 
I would guess very few of us have the luxury of being able to live off of only what we harvest. I could probably come close if I lived where I hunt, still it would take more than the 5 deer I could legally kill, I would definitly need some crop damage permits and a whole lot of fish. If your worried about the quality of your food find a decent farm that raises cattle, when I talked to my aunt the last cow they slaughtered was right around $2-3 a pound.
 
Deer is my personal favorite to hunt and eat.

We only live 65 miles away from prime whitetail hunting and we usually get 4 deer over the course of a weekend or 2.

Tags aren't very expensive here, I usually get a double doe tag so I can take 2 does for meat. The meat is great and If all goes well I usually end up shooting no more than 10 shells while hunting.

In all truth, I hunt because I love the outdoors and I love the challenge. the meat is just an added benefit. My dad does pretty well prcessing our deer so that part is cheap and i end up with sausage, jerky, beer sticks and venison steaks.

Definitely get into hunting, Some of my favorite memories are afield.
 
Welcome to hunting.

Hey there:
I have hunted all of my life. Well since 10 or so. I'm 51 now. Hunting these days is not a cheap way to get food. And I must say also , It is a life style....
Most hunters today , hunt because they want to hunt. Some still hunt to put meat on the table and thats cool. But for the most part atleast after you get older You hunt because you are drawn to it. It is part of you . A big part of you. An Elk roast is very hard to beat. As with most other hard earned game. You do not have to buy into all the hype out there today. sent lock clothes and all the gadets. If I had the money back from all the gadgets I have had over the years that really did not help all that much, I could buy a new truck.
Hunting is an honorable thing . Play by the rules and enjoy it. Getting a big deer or larger animal out of the woods and back to the house can be a lot of work. Find a buddy or son what ever, hunt together.
 
I am leaning toward hunting because I do not want to eat animals that are full of hormones, anti biotics and have lived unnatural lives.

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Many people are now becoming concerned about the quality of the food we eat and they believe many of our health problems are related to the processed foods we eat.

Let me start by saying that that is also one of the primary reasons I hunt; plus the fact that I just don't want to contribute (as much) to buying meat from commercial sources, where the purveyors of the product keep the animals in inhumane conditions their whole lives, like the freak all-breast chickens.

What do you like to hunt?
Pretty much anything, but quail, pheasant, and turkeys are my favorite. Deer and hogs are high on the list too. I can't wait to hunt elk - I think that would be my ultimate favorite game, from the looks of it.

What tastes best?
Matter of opinion, but probably quail and pheasant, and turkeys, and deer, and elk, and hogs, and sandhill cranes, and.....

How much meat do you typically get from a game animal and if it is a large amount, how do you store it?

A LOT from a deer - you will need a stand-alone freezer, to be sure. Maybe two.

Do any of you think that you could get most if not all your meat from hunting?

Absolutely, yes. I know guys who (and I myself do this if I have a good year hunting) get all or nearly all their meat from hunting, by killing 4-6 deer each season, give or take, and that meat lasts them all year long, and that's eating it several times a week.

How much do you actually spend per pound of meat after all is said and done?

Lol, funny you should ask. It's probably $300-$400 per pound for me, if you count all the guns and bows and gear and hunting leases and tags, etc., I purchase. If you are any sort of a gear hound, then you will NOT save money by starting hunting - you will spend way more than you save at the grocery store. But, OTOH, if you are a spartan/minimalist type, and just buy one rifle and some Dickies to hunt in, and don't get caught up in all the crazy gear that's out there, and can find a place to hunt that is pretty close and not too expensive, and find some friends with dogs if you want to waterfowl or upland bird, then you can in theory save money. You'd have to work really hard (spend time) to find the right friends with land and dogs and such, and resists a lot of temptations to buy gear to spend less per pound than the grocery store. For me, impossible. I've spent so much on guns and everything else hat if I quit spending now, and hunted free public lands from here out, I'd still have to hunt a good 40 more years before reaching the break-even point on cost. :)

Good luck. Hunting is fun and rewarding, but at times very frustrating - And, it's a MASSIVE time-stealer, so don't get into it unless you really want to forego some of your other hobbies & life-activities.
 
Deer, elk, antelope meat is much leaner then store bought. You'll have to add some oil to the pan to cook.
I hear oryx is alot like beef. I'm going to hunt one of those next.

Caring for the meat requires some attention to details or you may not like it.

Get the meat cooled down quickly. Gut it and get it in the shade. Hang it from a tree in the shade if your going to have to make several trips packing it out. Cover it with sheet or something. Use water if it's a warm day to help cool the meat.

Don't eat the deer fat or add it to the meat, scraping the bones can add a flavor you might not like either.
 
nicki,

If I had to survive off the meat my hunting put on the table, I would have died a long long time ago,I kinda remind you of that Gollum creature in THE LORD OF THE RINGS, any way, so much for my hunting prowess.

Hunting is one way of becoming totaly "in tune" with the animal you are hunting. Whether,you hunt for sustainance, or sport you have to know something about the animal you're hunting, it brings you closer to nature. The knowledge of your prey,is either passed on in your youth from elders, or is accumulated through experiance.
Small game, upland, or wood land, rabbit, quail, ruffed grouse, pheasant, squirrel,turkey are all fine table fare, if dressed and cooked properly. In earlier times these animals were served at some of the finer reasturants,in the larger cities of the east coast NYC included .

The larger game what we call elk, white tail, mule deer, and other sub species,moose, caribou, american "antelope" have always been quarry for human hunters, for as long as the history of man. There is almost a religious connection here , most likley brought on by the continuous pursuit of these animals through time.

There are some diseases that can be transmitted to humans from game animals.Also care in butchering , dressing is a must.

The results are delictable beyond description! My favorite bar none fried rabbit with mashed potatoes and gravy! One Thanksgiving day feast, panfried trout light dusting of cornmeal browned in butter, venison roast smothered in onion and seasoned with rosemary and thyme, baked pheasant basted golden brown, with butter, and Canadian goose roasted in au jus falling off the bone.Fit for a king and all seated at the table had to be rolled away to the living room to recuperate!
 
WOW. lots of info. My $.02:

Iv hunted deer, squirrel, and rabbits.

I drive a fuel efficient car (30mpg), and I have two wildlife areas that allow hunting within 50 miles of me. I drive out very early, walk the field all day long, and drive home to process my catch myself.

The small game license is $17, and that lets me hunt squirrels and rabbits for that year. Total limit for both is 10 per season. I guesstimate that I normally get 1/4lb of meat per squirrel, and 1/2lb per bunny, for a total 2.5lbs of squirrel and 5lbs of rabbit per season.

Small game expenses:

* license = $17
* $6 in gas per trip x 3 trips per year = $18
* 20 shells of .410 bore, #6 shot = $6.5
* Total expense = $41.5 on small game per year
* Total possible meat = $41.5 / 7.5lbs = $5.53 per pound

I currently work in a grocery store, and thats about what you pay for our economy brand ham. The GOOD stuff is around $7 per pound, steaks and such are much more.

Deer in this area run about 190lbs, and you probably get about 20lbs of good meat off of it. I haven't taken a deer is some time so I'm pretty sketch on that number.

* $24 per deer license
* $12 per two hunting trips
* $1.5 for quality 12 gauge slug
* Total $27.50 per season
* $27.50 / 20lbs = ~$1.40 per pound


I think it depends on where you live. If you can get to the field and back with relatively little expense, then YES its worth it economically. If you have to drive 150miles in an SUV, then forget it.
 
Cooking Wild Game

Wild game does taste different than domestic produce. I have found that like everything else you have to develop a taste for it, but there are good ways to mitigate the "shock" of the new taste of wild game in order to get used to it.

Mostly it has to do with the preparation of the meat before cooking and then obviously the cooking method itself. I would recommend chicken frying with seasoned flour. Pound the steaks thin.

Other ways include marinating and what not.

The best book I have found is the Complete Guide to Game Care & Cookery (by Sam Fadala) http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guid...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226010047&sr=8-1

I seriously recommend getting it even if you have other books or some good ideas. It talks about everything you can do and gives recipies too.
 
im sure that to legally obtain all lf the meat i eat in a year id have to take up trapping.

having said that you can get a large amount of meat by hunting differnt animals and different seasons for instance take 2 deer during bow season 1 during private land doe season and use my public land doe permit for either rifle or muzzleloader season. mix in plenty of squirrel grouse and goose/duck, a single turkey and youre cutting your grocery bill considerably and eating healthy meat a large percentage of the time. hell thats not even counting fishing.

of course this is all assuming hunting success and you mest remember hunting is called "hunting" and not "shooting" for a reason. it takes a lot of time and work to be in the right spot at the right time and it has a huge initial cost by the time you figure clothing guns/bow knife and all the other misc stuff that pops up.

however there are two huge things that make it worth it for me and many others. the first is the time spent enjoying nature and seeing things that many people never get to see the second is the feeling of accoplishment and satisfaction you get when it all comes together and youre sitting at the table with your family eating a meal that you provided.

also if you spend your money wisely when buying all the stuff you need you wont have to replace anything but ammo every year and boots every few years.
 
Deer in this area run about 190lbs, and you probably get about 20lbs of good meat off of it.

If that's all the meat you're getting then you need to find a new processor. The one you're using is robbing you. The little cull buck that my buddy shot last week (pic below) netted more than 35lb of just hamburger. Then add in the umpteen packages of round steaks, tenderloin, sirloin, backstrap and 5 lbs of bratwurst. He was nowhere near 190lbs.
 

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I just finished 70# of snack stiks, 30# german sausage and 30# of breakfast sausage. Next week i do 60# jerky and 60# summer sausage. This on top of the hind and loin for grilling. We got 4 bucks this year off of our home place and usually get a couple elk but the weather was to good to drive them off the mountain.
Add that to the birds and fish that are available within 30 miles and there is little reason to go to the store for meat. The cost is mostly time once you get your equipment together. My hobbies are hunting and fishing so I don't have greens fees and lift tickets to buy, that gives me money for guns, powder, boats and fishing tackle.
 
Not sure what your financial postion is or how much meat you require, but we (the wife and I and my 6 and 9 yr old boys) get a half of beef and a whole pig per year, and the meat is from local growers that we know, so hormones and such isn't an issue. It is much more cost effective than hunting, now don't get me wrong I LOVE HUNTING but I don't do it because it is the cheapest way to get meat, especially where I live and you can only shoot one deer per year. That wouldn't last near long enough for our carnivourus family, so to me any game that I kill is "supplemental meat".

Toby
 
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