Never understood the need to carry a DA/SA pistol in Condition One.

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It's probably a good thing you don't live in Texas stchman since a lot of the LEO's carry 1911's (shudder!) cocked and locked.

I carry mine in the same manner but I have practiced for more years than you are probably old. I also practice at the range swiping off the safety. While I don't necessarily agree with carrying a firearm with an empty chamber I'm certainly not going to argue with someone who does....at least not on the wrong side of their muzzle. People that carry in this manner are, in all probability, practiced enough to be competent with it.

You are battling a war you will not win. You have good arguments on why not to carry a SA firearm but listen to what the experienced users are telling you...carry whatever you are comfortable and competent with and practice, practice, practice. ANY firearm is better than harsh language or a large rock so the choice is yours. I only ask that you use something that is 1) safe, 2) reliable, and 3) accurate.
 
stchman wrote:

I don't personally think the 1911 is a good CCW"
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Personally, I've found it to be an excellent CCW weapon. That you haven't is a personal matter rather than a problem with the pistol. I can't warm up to Glocks to save me from torment, but that doesn't mean that they're bad guns.

Neither does the low capacity bother me. If I can't solve my immediate problem with 7 rounds of .45 ACP it's unlikely that I can solve it at all.

As for the takedown...In its original configuration, the gun can be completely disassembled in about 60 seconds and reassembled in about 2 minutes...without tools of any kind beyond the gun's own parts...and that's for a detail strip of the slide and frame. Field stripping can be done in about 10 seconds.
 
RonBernert said:
Wombat-
"4. You don't fall into any of the above categories, don't know what you're talking about, and are just another internet tough guy. In that case, pi** off."
By your own accord, this is you!

I HAVE been shot at. I HAVE had to use a (dig this) 1911 based pistol for self defense. I HAD bullets flying my way (more than once). I DID NOT forget the safety. I TRAINED with the gun.

Basically, You don't know.
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Sorry, not quite. I'm not making any claims about how I will perform under fire. Therefore, I am not an internet tough guy.

Maybe you have been in defense situations several times as you state and you simply have an abrasive personality. Maybe you are full of bs. Who knows? I'll give you the benefit of doubt and go with the abrasive personality.
 
SlamFire. Do you have a bigger picture? I can't quite read the fine print.

As for "designed for CCW" I'd have to say NO. Pretty sure it was designed to go into a flap covered holster on the hip.
Do some people find a 5" 1911 small enough to CCW? Yes. It's a heck of a lot smaller than my replica Navy Colt black powder, and most of the 45 cartridge revolvers that followed it until the auto became popular.

I find it interesting how people apply "it was designed for", because the application turned out to also be useful for that purpose. One I just exposed, flat head screws to hold the grip panels on. 1) do you really need to remove the grip panels in the field to resolve a malfunction? no.
2) in 1908 what was the predominant screw design? Flat head. The hex head internal was not developed until after that, then it surely was not a BIG hit until later. Allen wrench was not trademarked until 1943, as it's use became more popular
 
If you can't remember to turn off the safety, you really shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any type. If you can't remember that, how are you going to remember to keep your finger off the trigger when you draw or holster your pistol without a safety to avoid shooting yourself in the foot?
 
If you can't remember to turn off the safety, you really shouldn't be carrying a firearm of any type. If you can't remember that, how are you going to remember to keep your finger off the trigger when you draw or holster your pistol without a safety to avoid shooting yourself in the foot?
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This.
 
To 1911Tuner:

Strip a 1911 in 10 seconds???!!!!! What do you consider a field strip? Taking the mag out. I have taken apart a couple of 1911s (my Romanian TTC is based very closely on a 1911 as far as dis assembly) and it takes considerably longer time than 10 seconds.

My buddy has a RIA 1911 and it took about 2 minutes to take it apart.

I call BS. To me a field strip is on a semi auto pistol is:

A. Safety check and remove mag
B. Remove slide
C. Remove recoil spring
D. Remove barrel

What is your definition of a field strip?
 
"Maybe you have been in defense situations several times as you state and you simply have an abrasive personality. Maybe you are full of bs. Who knows? I'll give you the benefit of doubt and go with the abrasive personality."

Call it what you will. I have been self-employed for years, many years in family-owned convenience stores in bad parts of town. All ended in a justifiable homicide in 1996. Nothing like standing on a guy's shoulders, listening to him breathe through his back for the last time to put things in perspective. Fact is, most people (maybe yourself included) go straight into a survival instinct when bad things happen.
I am not a Mall-Ninja. If you want to pick a fight, you keep calling people that on this board.
You called me out, I answered. I also don't have an abrasive personality, :D but I call them exactly like I see it.
 
Good lord... really sad and silly right from the get go.

If you don't want to train with your firearm enough to become proficient and automatic in it's proper operation fine... just carry it well the heck away from me.

I don't care how many creds your instructor has, he's an idiot. Yes, idiots can sometimes manage to rack up skins on the wall.

BTW: I'm not a 1911 guy or a Glock guy. I carry a CZ 2075 daily. In condition 1. It's been out and hot more times than I like to remember. I have yet to miss the safety. If I can train enough to hit the microscopic safety on a 2075 every time, a half witted buffoon can hit a 1911's... which many conscripted half witted buffoons have done for 100 years now.

Find a new instructor. Yours is worthless as an actual teacher.
 
What is your definition of a field strip?
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I am quite sure that 1911tuner can take a 1911 and drop the mag, check the gun, punch out the slide release, remove the bushing, slide, barrel and spring in 10 seconds. Heck, I am not nearly as skilled as he is and I would think that 15 or 20 seconds would more than suffice.

And I would bet that he could re-assemble it blindfolded in 30.
(takes me a full minute,,,I often stumble getting all three holes on the slide release pin)
 
TO ClickClickD'oh:

The CZ 2075 is a RAMI, correct?

If yes then why carry the thing in condition 1???? I can actually see the need on a 1911 as it is a SAO, but the RAMI is SA/DA.

With the pistol in DA, a safety is unnecessary.

I guess carrying a SA/DA pistol in condition 1 makes people feel cool.
 
I have taken apart a couple of 1911s .... and it takes considerably longer time than 10 seconds.

My buddy has a RIA 1911 and it took about 2 minutes to take it apart.
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I think we've answered a major question with these statements. If you can't do it, nobody can... right? Same goes for sweeping the safety; if you can't do it, certainly there isn't anyone else who could... right?:rolleyes:
 
I watched FabioCrow's video.

He used terms like:

I am a dumb@$$
This part is a pain in the b@ll$
I did that on purpose, (part flew across room).

If you want to make a good case for ease/speed of 1911 field strip then pick a better video.
 
To CoRoMo:

I never once said it could not be done or that I am the utmost authority on 1911 concealed carry. Why add ADDITIONAL steps to drawing a firearm in a life/death situation? Increase the number of tasks to do and the probability of failure increases. Do you at least agree with that statement or do you maintain that it is IMPOSSIBLE for failure to happen with a 1911?

I simply stated that it is my opinion that there are better choices than a 1911 for CCW. I am sorry everyone got butt-hurt.

Jeez this thread has gotten completely off topic. I can see the admin closing it real soon.
 
What is your definition of a field strip?
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Slide off the frame...barrel and bushing removed from the slide. 10 seconds. If I really hurry, I can probably do it in 8.

Full detail strip, using a punch for the mainspring housing pin and a plastic mallet...using a small screwdriver for the mag catch...my personal best time to take the gun completely apart...slide and frame...is 42 seconds, timed with a stopwatch...starting with a fully assembled gun. Average time is about 50 seconds.

If you ever make it out my way, stop in for a demo. Say when.
 
If yes then why carry the thing in condition 1???? I can actually see the need on a 1911 as it is a SAO, but the RAMI is SA/DA.
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Because people prefer the short crisp trigger pull over the long DA pull. I plan on getting a 2075 eventually and i'm gonna carry it in Cond. 1. This style isn't for everyone as evidence seen here.

"Everyone and everyone's mother has an Opinion"

Make a video of you doing it under a minute 1911tuner, I want to see that!
 
language notwithstanding, the fact remains that the guy in the video, going slow for the camera, did it in under a minute.

another youtube has a guy re-assembling in 16 seconds

Flipper could do it in less than 2 minutes

As to the original point, there are many outstanding CCW guns and the 1911 is one of them.
Flat, concealable, dependable and effective.
If you don't like a 1911 there are many other choices and many are very good, but John Moses created a wonderful gun.

It has served the millions of people that took the time to learn to use their thumb quite well.
 
TO ClickClickD'oh:

The CZ 2075 is a RAMI, correct?

If yes then why carry the thing in condition 1???? I can actually see the need on a 1911 as it is a SAO, but the RAMI is SA/DA.
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Because that is the way I am most comfortable running the gun.

What most people don't consider is what you do with your weapon post engagement. Do you thumb down the hammer and re-holster the weapon or do you engage the safety and re-holster? Do you trust yourself thumbing down the hammer under stress and pumped full of adrenaline? Hopefully not. Most people would engage the safety to reholster under stress. What if you need to engage again? What if you aren't trained to engage from condition 1? Now you are trying to operate the firearm in a manner that you aren't familiar with.

Train to run the gun condition 1. The DA is there for a second strike since you are likely to already have yanked the trigger a second time before your brain even registers a misfire. If you get two clicks in a row that's when you're probably going to be yanking the slide.
 
may be time to close this Tuner its degrading fast. it isnt even on subject anymore
 
I simply stated that it is my opinion that there are better choices than a 1911 for CCW. I am sorry everyone got butt-hurt.
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True for you. Not for everybody. Some folks wouldn't carry anything else, given a choice. I will. Sometimes I carry a double-action revolver. Sometimes a single-action revolver. Depends on where my wanderings will take me on a given day.

I learned to field and detail strip a 1911 pistol almost 50 years ago. It gets easier after you've done it about 10,000 times. ;)

The offer for a demo stands, by the way. Come partake of my infamous turbo coffee and scintillating tales of derring-do...and enjoy the company of some of the best dogs that ever chewed on a bedroom slipper. (Link at the bottom of the page.)
 
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