Never using Winchester White again...... CCI u my girl!

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I've never noticed Winchester white box to be that dirty, but then again I shoot a lot of cheap bulk .22 ammo so anything centerfired is white-room clean in comparison!
 
I've never had a problem with Winchester white either, I've pulled a bullet and noted that the powder is identical in appearance to W231. The only recent problem I had was a Federal American Eagle dud. I pulled the bullet dumped the powder and punched out the primer. Nice shiny clean primer cup with just a small dab of compound on one edge.
 
WWB is the proverbial whipping boy thou I've never had a problem even with the WWB purchased at Walmart which is the double whammy of the preverbal whipping boy. Since I can't run thru a rain storm with out getting wet, I am amazed - simply amazed to say that I've had no problems with thousands of rounds of 45ACP and 9X19mm utilized then reloading the once fired cases until the head stamp is on the verge of being smeared off. Puzzled by it all I say.:what::)
 
Some have accused me of being a "brand name snob" when choosing my guns. Same goes with ammo. I really like the SIG-SAUER .380 ammo. I will not run Russian ammo, TULA, BEAR, etc., in my modern guns. (In an old AK maybe) I will not shoot White Box either.
 
Yo Mama said:
........or it fails and im dead?!?
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If you're worried that 50rds worth of residue is going to choke up your XD, you probably shouldn't rely on it in the first place... Most modern handguns, with the exception of some pocket pistols, can go many thousands of rounds without cleaning.
 
The last few times I shot WWB it did seem to be more dirty than I had remebered. I have been reloading for a few years so it had been a bit.

Both times it was around 35 degrees and wet, so maybe weather conditions somehow made the powder stick more or something.

I'll continue to stick with my handloads.
 
It's low cost range ammo for Pete's sake!
Clean your weapon after firing just like your nice Sargent told you to.
I've found WWB reliable and accurate in my handgun.

FWIW, PMC leaves virtually no soot for close to the same price.

Whatever you choose, save your brass and start handloading
 
I shoot mostly cast bullet handloads, so any time I fire factory jacketed ammo, it seems clean. lol

I am also in the camp of clean guns when they need cleaning, not every time you fire it.
 
RA40 said:
How much WWB is being run through to cause a failure of some sort?
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Hard to comment for all handguns, but I have at least one data point.

On one occasion, I fired something like 1200 or 1300 rounds of WWB through an autopistol (Ruger P95) in a single day without cleaning it. At 970 rounds, I experienced the first malfunction for the day.

At that point, the gun finally got dirty enough that it wouldn't go into battery--but ONLY on the first round from a full magazine, and ONLY when the slide release was used to drop the slide. It continued to work perfectly as long as the first round from a full magazine was chambered using the slingshot method (manually pulling the slide to the rear and releasing it). You get a tiny bit more spring compression with the slingshot method compared to just dropping the slide with the slide release and that little extra bit of force was enough to chamber the first round with no problems.

It's probably worth pointing out that it was also raining that day and it seemed to me that the fouling was more "solid" than usual when I cleaned the gun. As if the water that inevitably worked into the fouling made it "cake" more than it normally would.
 
Good Ol' Boy said:
If you think WWB is bad try shooting some Tula.

I don't shoot anything but Federal aluminum or brass any more. The cheapest by far around here.
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Shot Tula through a 1911 after dark to practice shooting with a light. I love WWB compared to that and it's brass to reload.
 
Jackal said:
I've never understood why so many people over clean their guns... Leave it dirty, it wont hurt it. If it functions, its clean enough.
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In general, I agree.

If I know I will not be shooting a particular gun for a while, I like to store it clean. Also, I clean my carry gun after practicing with it. If the situation comes up, I do not want any question that the gun has not been fired.
 
I shoot in the black powder cartridge matches (I usually load BP substitutes like Pyrodex RS or P, or Triple Seven).
I shoot WWB .45 ACP in the vintage military matches. I do shoot a lot of WWB .40 S&W too.
WWB is relatively clean to me. But I am used to cleaning the really nasty stuff. You can't postpone cleaning with BP or BP substitutes.

CCI tho' has been the bet your life or a hunting trip ammo.
 
WWB does seem to leave little yellow flakes, but it is very accurate at 25 yards in my PPQ 9mm. Accuracy is all I really look for in ammo, though I admit I too grumble when I feel I have to clean a bit more. :)
 
Bfh_auto said:
Shot Tula through a 1911 after dark to practice shooting with a light. I love WWB compared to that and it's brass to reload.
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I shot tula through my 1911 (an American made auto ordnance) and shot around 800 rounds of it, even had the steel jacket it looked like, and I only had one failure and that was when teaching a new shooter to shoot the 1911. Limp wristing sucks regardless of ammo brand.
 
The Evangelist Cowboy said:
I shot tula through my 1911 (an American made auto ordnance) and shot around 800 rounds of it, even had the steel jacket it looked like, and I only had one failure and that was when teaching a new shooter to shoot the 1911. Limp wristing sucks regardless of ammo brand.
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It goes bang and is accurate enough. I was just saying wwb is levels above it. I didn't like seeing sparks as the empty casing ejected.
 
I have shot 100 rounds of WWB through my CZ each day for the last four days in a row. No problems with those 400 rounds. I did have a box of WWB once last month that had one dud and one where the brass was gouged so badly on the side of the casing I am pretty sure it would have gotten hungup if I had tried to use it. So I did have two duds in one box once. Otherwise, I am sure I have shot several thousand rounds of it over the last two years without a problem. Works great in my CZ, my 1911 and my Walther PPQ. YMMV

Regarding cleaning: I clean the barrel after each 100 rounds; I do a combat strip and clean after 200. Seems to work out ok.
 
If I can be a "devil's advocate" here for a moment, all these complaints about the Winchester ammo has me asking as question.
Over the years, many people have complained about the "quality" (or lack thereof) of Remington bulk .22 ammo, esp. the solid lead roundnose loads called "Thunderbolts" (aka "Thunderduds"). I have heard that this was some of the dirtiest ammo out there with such a low quality that there were many "failures" - in firing, in loading , and in ejecting. If this is the case, is it any worse than the Winchester, or is the WWB a "step up" from the Thunderbolts?
 
Other than the occasional messed up round, I've never had any problems with WWB. Worst stuff I ever shot was back about 10 years ago in an orange box. I bought 2 boxes of at a gun show and it was just nasty. Lots of duds, and more than a couple of rounds weren't round at all. The slide on the Witness I was shooting it in crushed those up really badly and it reminded me why I used to, and started doing again, roll rounds on a flat surface as I loaded the mags. If it wobbles, it's usually tossed or fire one round at a time.
 
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