New .223 autoloader?

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Probably some sort of "safety" feature would prevent folding the rifle with one in the mag well, but if not, it wouldn't be necessary to snap the buttstock on the barrel. The extra space taken would be tiny.

The trigger guard actually goes into the mag well when folded, so a mag can't be there. So, even though it folds into a "smallish" package, readying the rifle would consist of unfolding, locking, inserting mag, and chambering a round. Seems like enough stuff to do that you would never use it for a any sort of situation that would call for a weapon to be instantly ready. At which point, the few extra seconds to assemble an AR-15 are moot.

Not to mention, because of the lack of a pistol grip, there's no reason why some sort of folding stock (where the rifle could remain loaded, and even fire from the closed position) couldn't have been legally used instead - except perhaps in a handful of states, of course.

I guess I just don't get it... the folded package doesn't really seem that small - 26" is the length, and it seems like the "width" would be nearly 8-10". Not something you could really shove into a backpack easily (unlike the sub-2000) and it seems like a fixed stock gun that is instantly available would be a better choice for a "trunk" gun, given that you can't even have a mag in the magwell when folded here.

Rocko
 
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If it takes AR mags, count me in too!

I wonder if a short 5-round mag would fit into the rifle when folded? In a defense situation,t hat should be enough to get you by until you pop the 30 rounder out of the buttstock!

-Dave
 
Ruger couldn't get AR magazines to fit the Mini-14...

But it sure as heck looks like this Kel-Tec rifle takes them! Good for them!:D

Kel-Tec is just up the road from me in Cocoa, FL. Wonder if I could get a sneak-peek? Invite them to my range to test it out, sort of a product-development maneuver?
 
Flash hider?

Doesn't the AW ban include threaded barrels as an evil feature? Detach. mag+threaded barrel+flash hider =AW, no?
 
Doesn't the AW ban include threaded barrels as an evil feature? Detach. mag+threaded barrel+flash hider =AW, no

Who says you have to have a threaded barrel for a flash hider? Just permanently attach it.
 
Burning question: does it use stupid direct gas impingement, or does it use an AK-style op-rod?? Gotta know...

I like the 18" barrel. I have always felt my 16" AK (yes, its .223) barrel was a tad too short. Big fireballs think so, too.
 
I would hate to touch the barrel with the bipod folded out.
Ouch! :uhoh:

Hope it is possible to move the front sight backward, so that one can cut the barrel down.

Oh, and from now on, lets all say SUR.
Never again shall the frase "Assult rifle" be mentioned!

Lets beat the antis at their own game.
Sport Utility Rifle = Any semi auto rifle owned by sivilians! :)

K. :)
 
The trigger guard actually goes into the mag well when folded, so a mag can't be there.
Guess you missed my point...you needn't fold it that far. If you didn't, the overall dimensions of the package would be changed so little that it wouldn't make any real difference. 'Course, we won't know until we actually get a sample to handle, fire and pack.

So, even though it folds into a "smallish" package, readying the rifle would consist of unfolding, locking, inserting mag, and chambering a round.
See above...

I don't disagree with the utility of an AR-15 as a trunk-rifle, but I don't anticipate using the SU-16 as a backpack-rifle. If it turns out that it is usable for such...great!

Can we agree that time of deployment in an emergency is likely to be less for the SU-16...given what little we know at this stage?
 
It looks like a useful design. Question is, how will the accuracy be after the barrel heats up?

I doubt it will hit AR-15 type accuracy. However, as a trunk/toolbox gun it looks like a good fit.
 
Can't wait to see what the price will be. If the price is right I might just have to get one.
 
I had that same thought about the scout rifle, especially considering how light it is. It will probably drive Jeff Cooper crazy.
 
With the 7.62 SAIGA's going for well under $200 - the folding option is not a big deal for me. Still an interesting gun. I'm getting one of the SAIGA's for sure, debating on 16 or 20 inch barrel. Probably go for the long barrel. The Kel-Tec rifle looks promising though.
 
The SU-16 looks pretty good so far - I'd almost bet money that it uses an AR18-type action with a gas piston. The bolt and bolt handle look just like my AR180B - maybe Kel-Tec is licensing the design or sub-contracting actions/bolts/receivers from Armalite?

What I don't like so far is the front sight, which looks the same as the Sub2000, i.e. PLASTIC front post with PLASTIC adjustment screws. The Sub2000 front sight is fine for plinking with a pistol cartridge at <100yds, but .223 is a 300yd cartridge and I'd like sights that would let me get the most out of the cartridge at longer ranges. You can't dope windage or dial in elevation with the Sub2000 sights, you can only use by-guess-and-by-God Kentucky windage and Tennesee elevation, and that won't cut it 3 football fields away. I'd also MUCH rather have steel-on-steel adjustments on a rifle's sights.

When(not if) I obtain one of these, I'm going to look into some AR-style iron sights for it - either the Xpress Sights adjustable Weaver-mount ghost-ring or the GG&G flip-up A2-style rear sights, with the GG&G flip-up front or Armalite's clamp-on front sight base.
 
I was in the PX with one of my fellow grunts when I saw the ad.

Hey, check this out.

Whoah! We need that!

Need?

Yeah! The M4 sucks!

So, I went and joined KTOG again...

Personally, I like 18". It would seem KT has made a reasonable compromise between the two most popular AR barrel lengths. I just hope the damn thing doesn't have that abominable star chamber like the AR15/M16 family.

If it's under $500, and has no star chamber, I'll take the first one, George!
 
I like it! I like it a lot! Since it's PRK legal I'll pick one up if funds permit. What I'd do is to get rid of the handguard/bipod and to install AK handguards, sling swivels and a conventional bipod.
 
It looks like FAL handguards might fit on there as well. It would be nice if there was a way to preserve the bipod and keep handguards on it at all times.
 
Dear God, that thing is hideous. I want one. Check that, I want a couple.

Kel-Tec, now hear this. If this rifle turns out to suck, I will declare a one-man holy war against everything that is Kel-Tec. Do not play with me by dangling what looks like a really cool rifle in front of my nose. Do not toy with my emotions!

:D

- Chris
 
I just hope the damn thing doesn't have that abominable star chamber like the AR15/M16 family.

Well, if you squint really close, that image says "The SU-16 uses the proven breech locking and loading system" which I'd take to mean that it does indeed use the AR type chamber lugs. That said... it's also a pretty good indicator that it will in fact use M16 magazines. Mag release button placement seems to bear that out as well.

-K
 
Sounds interesting. I hope the cheesy front sight can be removed and a stronger aluminum one can be added. If accuracy is good, I would buy one. I hate AR's and might sell mine. If one were made in .308 with a forward mount for a scope I would really like it. It would be the ultimate scout rifle.
 
Eh, so I'm odd-man out...

It has no pistol grip, so I don't want one. (Yeah, I know... more for you guys ;) ) I have been a fan of pistol gripped rifles for 20 years now, WAAAY before it was "tacti-cool" to have them. I just like the way they shoulder and point. A flash supressor does NOTHING for the feel of a weapon, so I'd rather have a PG than a FS.

But I do understand that it's KA legal now, and I'm happy for you guys that it is, so let it be PG-less, and KA legal, and you guys in the PRK can have a covert HD-SHTF rifle :). I just hope you've got a good supply of grandfathered AR mags...
 
Since my ARs & the Mini-14GB are in NV...

When is somebody going to buy one or do I have to field test it myself? :D
 
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