New Browning 1911-380 to be announced tomorrow.

[rcmodel]

85% scale 1911 in .380 ACP.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/featured/first-look-browning-1911-380/

rc

 

[ku4hx]

I can see it now. A 1911 format will suddenly secure the .380ACP as a fully competent self defense cartridge comparable to the 9x19, 40 S&W and 45ACP.

 

[wally]

Why not 9mm? Ammo is cheaper than .380 and easier to find than .22lr. IMHO a 1911 scaled so the magwell was 9mm length would really rock!

Springfield has sort of done this with a 3" barreled model in 9mm and .40S&W but the ~$1K price limits the appeal. The price of the Browning .22lr 85% scaled 1911 is high for .22 pistol but would be closer to mainstream for a 9mm version.

 

[aarondhgraham]

I wonder if,,,

I wonder if this will be on the same frame as their .22 LR pistol?

I like matching handguns in centerfire/rimfire pairs,,,
But the way Browning prices their products,,,
I wouldn't be able to afford either of them.

The base model of the 1911-22 A1 lists for $599.99.

I can't imagine that the .380 will list for less.

ku4hx might be correct,,,
A 1911 chambered for .380 will automatically make it a legitimate self defense cartridge.

Maybe even more so that the recent Glock 42.

Aarond

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[ApacheCoTodd]

Well now, that's a crappy link.

It was entertaining reading the comments section at the bottom at least.

 

[CWL]

Probably will sell well in countries where firearms chambered for "military" ammo is illegal for civilian ownership.

 

[JRH6856]

I wonder if this will be on the same frame as their .22 LR pistol?

If so, it would be about the same size as the Llama MicroMax/IIIa. The early Llamas were locked breech like a full size 1911, but later models were blowback. I hope the Browning is locked breech.

 

[1911Tuner]

Probably will sell well in countries where firearms chambered for "military" ammo is illegal for civilian ownership.

aka .38 Super Auto.

Some years back, Llama sold a scaled-down 1911 in .380 caliber. The early ones were even locked breech, unlike the identical blowback pistols chambered for .32 Auto and .22 LR. They were neat little pistols, and were actually of pretty decent quality.

I predict that the new entry will be novelty, but little else. Look for'em to disappear in about 3 years.

 

[X-Rap]

Can't imagine wanting a SA pocket sized pistol.

 

[g.willikers]

Didn't Colt recently bring back their small 1911 style .380 Mustang?

 

[WestKentucky]

Should be on the 22 frame. The 1911 in .380 I had was nearly identical to the browning. It was a llama minimax...and the only reason it's not still mine is that Dad pretty much wouldn't give it back after he tried it out.

 

[CNobbe]

Yup, after Sig copied them and have been wildly successful ever since. Now even Kimber wants in on the idea as they came out with the Micro .380.

 

[Nom de Forum]

I predict that the new entry will be novelty, but little else. Look for'em to disappear in about 3 years.

I agree. It is perhaps a calculated move to exploit fanaticism for all things 1911 that some people have before those people come to there senses and put their wallets back in their pocket.

 

[browningguy]

It doesn't take a 1911 frame to make the .380 a competent defense round.

 

[Willie Sutton]

Some years back, Llama sold a scaled-down 1911 in .380 caliber. The early ones were even locked breech, unlike the identical blowback pistols chambered for .32 Auto and .22 LR. They were neat little pistols, and were actually of pretty decent quality.


Right on, and they are lovely.

Suppressed... absolutely a perfect little shooter.


Bet the Browning is a blowback design though. Cheap sells.


Willie

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[DT Guy]

I second the 9MM suggestion-I've wanted a 'full-size' EMP for years now, simply because of my sissy-sized little girl hands. A GM equivalent would be wonderful if scaled to the 9MM.


Larry

 

[JRH6856]

FWIW, here is what the Llama looks like (with 1911 for comparison):

 

[CapnMac]

Sounds like I need to practice up my "Is that a Mustang? Nope, it's a Gov't Model .380. You mean a Mustang, right? Nope, the Mustang came after; it's smaller, a tad lighter, It's.Not.A.Mustang." speech again.

Will be interesting to see if Remmy follows the Colt styling. And if the ejector will be as equal a pain on reassembly.

Sadly, my little Gov't .380 "likes" the now unavailable Win Silvertips for making itty-bitty groups of holes on targets.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

SIG is already doing this so it's really nor news. They have a shrunk down 1911 clone, the P238. They also have a ever so slightly larger P828 in 9mm. They are extremely well made and accurate handguns.

 

[rcmodel]

I don't think the SIG P238 is a miniature 1911.

I think it is a copy of the compact Colt Mustang.
It looks like a 1911, but it isn't.

The new Browning is supposed to be a 7/8 scale 1911 in .380, just like the Browning 1911-22 is a scaled down 1911.

rc

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I guess I'm not well enough versed in the internals of the 1911 to know the difference. The SIG pistols sure looked like 1911's to me...

 

[peacemaker45]

I guess I'm not well enough versed in the internals of the 1911 to know the difference. The SIG pistols sure looked like 1911's to me...

The little SIGs, and Colts, for that matter, have hinged triggers, rather than the famous sliding trigger of the 1911. Also, the safety doesn't lock the slide on the sigs, but does on a 1911.

 

[dirtman]

i have one of the new sig 938 which is their newer 9mm just barely bigger then the 238.... i usely carry my colt off 45 but sure like this new lighter sig.... seems to be a pretty busy market for the small autos..... and darn about the only cal. i don't have is the 380 so there could be room in the safe for one more... hum....

 

[vaupet]

no,
does nothing to me

the one in 22lr is a good-looking overpriced pot metal toy
don't expect this to be any bether

if i wanted a .380 it would be the sig 232 or the ppk/s with a definite advantage for the 232

 

[DT Guy]

Actually, the Browning .22 is all aluminum, if memory serves, although they do now have a polymer-framed version. So no 'pot metal'.


Larry