bannockburn
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Would make an interesting companion to my Colt Mustang and SIG P238.
New Browning 1911-380 to be announced tomorrow.
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Both the original Colt Mustang and the SIG P238 are very similar to the design of the M1911.
Major differences are the P238 and the Mustang use a cam to toggle the barrel out of battery instead of the toggle link on the M1911. Also, the ejector on the 380 pistols folds out of the way when disassembling the pistols as opposed to the fixed ejector on the M1911. No grip safety on the Mustang or P238.
I forget if there is a firing pin block in the Mustang or P238.
The Colt Government 380 is a bit different from the Mustang but I am not familiar with the Government model internals. I suspect it is the same.
Also, I do not know what changes Colt made to the new Mustang besides the polymer frame model.
So, the Mustang and SIG P238 do look like M1911s, but they are not miniture copies. Maybe an evolution.
The P238 is not an exact copy of the Mustang. Some parts are directly interchangeable, but some do not fit or work real well.
On to the Browning Mini M1911, if it is a locked breech, I might be interested. Otherwise, I have too many 380 ACP pistols as it is.
kBob
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Star S series guns sound a lot like what is being described. They do have a hinged trigger and no grip safety though. They were locked breach using a Browning swinging link.
Back in the 1970s an out fit called Firearms International (not to be confused with later FIE) imported a gun I seem to recall they called the Pony It was basically a shortened (barrel slide and grip) Star S series gun.
I like the Stars, though today there are smaller 9x19s, as hey are easy to shoot well. Think Colt 1908 with an exposed hammer as far as shape and lay out. Different guts entirely.
The FI Pony was easier to conceal, but harder to shoot well,......especially if one tended toward Super Vel ammo or home brews featuring a 100 grain JHP that now with age and experience frightens me. Back then I did like the Super Vel line in those yellow boxes with red markings, but it was not cheap.
About the only factory that FI would not digest was the blue box S&W line, a 90 gr JSP with peanut butter soft lead that just did not work well in the Beretta34, Walther PPk and PP , or Astra Constable the gang had floating around at the time. Once we rolled some of the S&W across a glass plate a watched them wobble about. The got religated to "round up the spout" with magazines loaded with something that fed reliably.
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Back in the 1970s an out fit called Firearms International (not to be confused with later FIE) imported a gun I seem to recall they called the Pony It was basically a shortened (barrel slide and grip) Star S series gun.
I like the Stars, though today there are smaller 9x19s, as hey are easy to shoot well. Think Colt 1908 with an exposed hammer as far as shape and lay out. Different guts entirely.
The FI Pony was easier to conceal, but harder to shoot well,......especially if one tended toward Super Vel ammo or home brews featuring a 100 grain JHP that now with age and experience frightens me. Back then I did like the Super Vel line in those yellow boxes with red markings, but it was not cheap.
About the only factory that FI would not digest was the blue box S&W line, a 90 gr JSP with peanut butter soft lead that just did not work well in the Beretta34, Walther PPk and PP , or Astra Constable the gang had floating around at the time. Once we rolled some of the S&W across a glass plate a watched them wobble about. The got religated to "round up the spout" with magazines loaded with something that fed reliably.
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herkyguy
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I think it could be pretty cool, so long as it fires reliably. I'm not engineer, but it seems like a lot of things could go wrong when one tinkers with the 1911. I've always read that the 1911 was built for the .45 ACP and even in different full-size calibers, there have been growing pains.
I'd like to see one in person before I make any judgments.
I'd like to see one in person before I make any judgments.
CoalTrain49
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It said I have to come back.
That's like going to the barber at 10 AM expecting a hair cut and finding the "please come back" sign.
I'm not a huge 380 fan anyway.
That's like going to the barber at 10 AM expecting a hair cut and finding the "please come back" sign.
I'm not a huge 380 fan anyway.
MIL-DOT
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Hmm, let's see: We'll have an expensive pistol, that shoots a small handful of fairly weak but expensive and less-than-common ammunition, AND weighs like a small brick. Plus, it'll have that whole 'beta' thing going.
Yep, I see these just FLYING off the shelves,LOL!!!
Yep, I see these just FLYING off the shelves,LOL!!!
maybe not flying.... but geez i got this whole load of empty 380 brass from the range that well....... should be reloaded..... so this seems like a pretty good excuss to fulfil my enviormental obligation to recycle..... at least that is what the wife will hear.....
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That reminds me, I've got a Sig 230 that hasn't been shot in a long while... I owe it to the enviornmental...
tactikel
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I had a Firearms International model D .380. It was a 1911 layout At about 60% size. I put 2K thru it then sold it. There are at least 6 other .380s I would chose for CCW over a "mini 1911". If it is familiar platform for you, go for it, I prefer hammerless, DAO, no safety, or going old school a PPK/S.
BTW the FI-D shot 8" groups at 50 ft. With handloads.
BTW the FI-D shot 8" groups at 50 ft. With handloads.
huntsman
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+1 For CC, but there are other reasons to own a gun.
A 1911 .380acp with "the Browning name" intrigues me not because I'm a 1911 fanboy but I believe Browning guns hold their value and are quality guns. This gun is just the thing for a .380acp collection IMHO and the fewer bought the better.
anothernewb
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NssVP8SwQ0
I might get one just because. Looks like the browning sales engineers have done their job well.
I might get one just because. Looks like the browning sales engineers have done their job well.
Starter52
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I own two of the older Colt Gov't Model .380 pistols. They are the sweetest-shooting, most comfortable little .380s that you could ever want. If the new Browning is anything like the Gov't .380, I'm all for it.
That is exactly what happened when Glock released the G42. People who turned up their nose at the .380 acp as a personal protection caliber suddenly realized its virtues when it became available in a small(ish) single-stack Glock. Perception is funny.
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JRH6856
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Locked breech is good. I don't like the mag safety.
It looks like it might have a pivoting trigger. There is an extra roll pin above the trigger below the S#.
It looks like it might have a pivoting trigger. There is an extra roll pin above the trigger below the S#.
rcmodel
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The mag safety is no big deal if it's like the one on the 1911-22.
It is just a little tab on the mag release & another tab on the trigger that aligns with it when the mag is removed.
It takes about two minutes to remove one tab or the other.
Only one needs to be removed.
Myself, I'd leave it alone.
I like mag safeties if they aren't overly complicated or interfere with the trigger pull.
This one isn't and doesn't.
rc
It is just a little tab on the mag release & another tab on the trigger that aligns with it when the mag is removed.
It takes about two minutes to remove one tab or the other.
Only one needs to be removed.
Myself, I'd leave it alone.
I like mag safeties if they aren't overly complicated or interfere with the trigger pull.
This one isn't and doesn't.
rc
huntsman
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Plus- it's Ambi
Minus- plastic frame
I don't collect plastic frame guns so unless they come out with an aluminum frame I'll pass, of course I could dump the p-11 and go with this as IWB carry.
Minus- plastic frame
I don't collect plastic frame guns so unless they come out with an aluminum frame I'll pass, of course I could dump the p-11 and go with this as IWB carry.
ArchAngelCD
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From what I'm reading it's a faithful representation of the John Browning design but for the mag safety. If so that's nice but is it the best design for a .380 pistol? I'm sure it's a good starter pistol for training new shooters like children for shooting full size 1911's in 45 Auto.
I'm not going to form any conclusions until I see and hold one. (and hopefully shoot one)
I'm not going to form any conclusions until I see and hold one. (and hopefully shoot one)
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