New Kel-Tec rifle... 5.56=223(SUR)

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Has anybody in here taken a look at the newest rifle design that should soon be comeing out from Kel-Tec???
It's called a "Sport Utility Rifle"
It folds kinda like their previous rifle... but this one uses a 5.56mm cartridge... (For those not in the know that's a 223 calibur round) Same thing our military uses.... :D
On their web site it says that this rifle even uses the same mags.
Now, I've been planning on aqurieing a mini-14 for a few years now(True, haven't gotten there yet, but bare with me) However, the prices on a mini-14, and one of these Kel-Tec SURs is pretty compareable......
So which do you all think is the better buy???
Just being curious, and figured that I'd ask some people that have had more firearms experience than myself before I spend any money...

Dex.
 
The KT is totally new, and I don't think anybody has one yet.

The Ruger has a long and good history as an excellent rifle.

I like the KT design and the company, and I plan to get one of their new rifles.

You're not going to be able to get any informed opinion answers to your questions for a while yet. :D
 
I kinda figured that this might be theanswer... but I had to ask..
Thanks anyways Blackhawk...
And let me know what you think of it when you get to it...(I almost GUARANTEE that you'll get to play with one before I do)
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I am definitely going to be buying one. It would be nice if this finally came out. I have been hearing about this for at least a year. Their website says next month; that remains to be seen. This is going to be a perfect truck rifle for me. I don't think this will substitute for my AR15s, but it is lighter and takes the same magazines. They have done a lot of nice things with this rifle. As I mentioned, there is no way you can get an AR15 down to 5 pounds. This thing folds. It takes AR mags. It has a built in rail.
 
Waaay too over-priced. For their sake (and mine?) I hope it is discounted to around $400 or forget it.
 
Assuming the Caliban doesn't try and ban the SU-16 via an "adminstrative action" (PRK-speak for interpeting the law to suit themselves) it will be the only detachable mag, autoloading .223 available in the PRK besides the Mini-14.

You can bet the farm if the weapon is decent they will be selling them as fast as they can make them to those of us behind enemy lines (including myself).
 
I handled one at the SHOT show. Light and handy, acceptable, but not good trigger and sights. It would do for a trunk gun. Didn't appear robust enough for hard or daily field use.
 
But possibly more precise. The Mini-14 doesn't have the best reputation to be a precise gun after firing a few shots. And it's a folder, which in itself is tres cool.
 
Kel-Tec has already been quoted as saying that they don't want to sell them in California. Its that stupid bill that passed that amended the laws voiding frivolous gun lawsuits. Us poor poor Californians are allowed to frivolously sue manufacturers now. Imagine that! This is what happens when the victim disarmament crowd runs the state. :barf:
 
I'll probably have to buy one of these when they come out. I'm not a big fan of pistol-caliber carbines (like their current models), but the thought of a folding rifle in a rifle caliber that I can pack in a motorcycle saddle bag or back bag, and which will fit inconspicuously into a backpack seems like an ideal weapon for back-country camping and hiking.
 
They might not sell it in the PRK because of this new B.S. that allows people to sue gun makers. Still, even if they do, I think I just like the mini-14 better. More accessories, etc. I did hear, however, that the SU-16 will accept AR-15 mags, so you can go hi-cap.
 
They're giving $640 as the MSRP. Too much. The fold down bipod is a weak link. Those will be breaking at the pivot points. Also, it will start to wiggle after it gets a little used. Great. A foregrip that wiggles in two halves. I don't know, color me skeptical. The fold down bipod looks like a cockroach or beetle wing sheath when they unfold to reveal the wings. A bug gun. Never saw a rifle before that reminded me of an insect.
 
Thats a good point galahad, although i'm more worried about what the back of the foregrip will look like after its been shoved into gravel and had the weight of the rifle rotating on it a few times. Looks like one of those ideas that works great on paper, but isnt that great once you try it.. Like democracy :evil:
 
Plastic or polymer is a less than desireable material to make a bipod out of. Even worse is if that bipod is also the foregrip. Break the bipod, there goes your foregrip. If the bipod is twisted when extended and on the ground, I can see it breaking at the pivot point. It's weak. This isn't a Harris bipod here. Might be ok for occasional use, but sooner or later, something is going to give at that pivot point. I'll bet the bipod is not reinforced and the socket where it pivots isn't, either. And what do you want to bet that this will be an expensive part that has to be replaced as an entire bipod/foregrip assembly and that KelTec will always have a 3 month backorder on them? The gravel issue that Shai brought up is another problem with this design. It doesn't have true bipod feet. It's half-baked. Offhand, I bet KelTec will charge around between $50 and $100 for a replacement bipod/foregrip assembly. I doubt there will be any way of fixing a broken bipod short of replacing the entire assembly. Unless you're fond of duct tape on your rifles. A $640 duct-taper....
 
If you`re upset about the plastic bipod/foregrip on a $640 (probably more like $550 IRL) beater carbine I guess you don`t own an $1100 Steyr Scout either. ;) Marcus
 
Not too impressed with the butterfly bipod BUT......I'll wait till they are actually out before I clobber them PR wise.

I hope the thing actually has a real trigger system and not the same deal they have on the Sub 2000.
From the pictures I have seem of it, it looks like it might have some potential for experimentation. KT has a good warrenty policy so if you do break one they will likely send you out a free replacement BUT .......something aftermarket might not be out of question. I always wondered why there are no aftermarket parts for the Sub. Surely by now KT has sold enough to make it worth considering.

If they can make and sell them for 300 they will have my interest.

S-
 
No, and I wouldn't pay $1,100 for a Steyr Scout, either. If I was going to lay out that kind of bread for a rifle, it needs to look good as well as shoot good. For that kind of money, I could get me a couple of CZs. If some are happy with Steyrs, hey, I'm happy for them. But they don't particularly attract me. :D
 
Ikari, thank you very much for that link. It's the most depressing thing I've read in a long time but falls into the "need to know" catagory.

I think I'll stick with my M1A Scout and SKS until I get out of this gun owners nightmare of a state. If I get the overwhelming urge for a .223 I think I'll take a hard look at a CZ-527.
 
I find the reviewer to be very biased...

the calguns review starts off with a "I hate KelTec because they wont sell in California" and then tries to tell everyone why he isnt biased? IF the gun is a bad design thats fine, I havn't seen one yet,(though im definitely intrigued), but thats no excuse to bash every one of keltecs products with out ever trying one. They produce excellent ccw pistols in sizes no other company has come close too, with affordable prices and then back it up with an awesome warranty. I have had keltec do modifications and send me free parts before with no questions asked. The keltec su16 may turn out to be a flop, but if its anywhere near the innvoation and quality of the sub2000 and the entire pistol line, I will be interested in purchasing one. Either way, I think Ill wait for a less baised revewer and the actual gun to come out before I make up my mind about it.
 
Regarding the review..it is hard to believe that any product that makes it to market could be that bad.
 
"For their sake (and mine?) I hope it is discounted to around $400 or forget it."

I'm counting on that $400 price tag. Kel-Tec's generally sell for well under list price.
 
i'm sure that thin BBL and plastic fron sight will hold up to sustained fire.
 
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