New King of 6.5mm

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Kachok

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OK so anyone who has read more then a couple of my posts on the rifle board knows that I am a HUGE fan of the old 6.5x55 and have been for many years now. Over the past few years there has been a new wave of intrest in the 6.5mm bore with the recent introduction of the 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creedmore, the continued survival of the 260 rem and manufactures chambering the 1,000yd target legend the 6.5-284 into factory hunting rifles. My question is which of these will go on to be the next 6.5x55 and accompany hunter for the next 120 years? I have read quite a bit about these chamberings and these are the differences between them.
6.5X47 Designed with thick brass for high pressures. It seems to be at it's best pushing pressures that others cannot handle without serious side effects. The low case capasity limits it's performance with 140gr+ bullets but with 120-130gr it really shines. With such a small powder charge it tends to be the lowest recoiling of the bunch.
6.5 Creedmore. Takes the modern design queues from the 6.5x47 with the steep shoulder and thicker brass, but can use a larger powder charge so it can still get solid performance with the heaviest of the 6.5mm bullets if needed. It was designed from the ground up as a world record setting 1,000yd competition round.
260 Rem A logical choice to simply neck down a 308 so brass will never be an issue. It lacks the ultra modern design queues of the Lapua and Creedmore but it's softer shoulder makes it a little smoother cycling especaly in autoloaders. Dispite it's older design it performs remarkably well at long range shooting though many have said it is more picky about loadings then the others. Like the Creedmore it performs well with all bullet weights assuming you have the tighter rifleing twist.
6.5-284 The real beast of the bunch. It goes well beyond the case capasity of the 308 based cases, in fact it rivals the 06 based cases dispite being a true short action. It is the lowest pressure of the bunch so you won't get a zillion fps with lighter bullets, but it will drive 140gr class bullets 150fps+ faster then the others. The only things I see against it is that it requires a non-standard bolt face and it recoils more like a 270 win rather than a 243.
6.5x55 Is is possable that the old Sweed is still the king of the hill dispite the VERY steep competition from its modern rivals? Because it is so old none of the standards apply, it requires a non-standard bolt face, and it uses a Mauser length action which is in between our standard and short action, but it does have a 120 year history and many loyal fans, and lets face it it still easly drives a 140gr bullet to 2700 fps and in the oppinion of many experenced shooters is as accurate as anything. Who cares if it burns a couple gr more powder to keep up with the new kids on the block.
I did not set this up as a regular poll so feel free to vote for your favorite wildcat (6.5-06, 6.5WSM...etc) or an oldschool favorite like the 6.5 Rem mag 264 win or 6.5x57.
 
Although 6.5mm is a very good balance that can do almost anything, I don't see it catching on much more, in the USA, outside of competition and some specific types of hunting (maybe pronghorn antelope, for instance) where the high BC really makes a big difference, but not a lot of bullet is needed.

In the USA I see .308 Win gradually displacing .30-06 for "King" title, maybe. The US seems to love its 30-cals in various forms.
 
A agree with z

Note that every country that used a 6.5mm as a service cartridge either did or attempted to replace it with a 30 caliber round or at least margionally 30cal-ish.

In this country 6.5 is little more than the step in between high BC 30 Cal's and high BC. 22/6mm calibers
 
No doubt that 30 cals do the job with an authority, but in my experence the 6.5x55 kills deer sized game just as dead just as quick with less recoil, and less noise. I own several other calibers including a 308, 7mm Rem mag, 270 win, and 270 WSM, but when its time to go hunting I reach for the Sweed 90+% of the time.
 
6.5 in just about anything is a great round for up to moose-size critters. Just about all of the chamberings will reach 1k no sweat. The only place they do lack is knockdown power for dangerous game. I have a GAP 260 REMINGTON on the way that is for 1000 yard competition. I do think they are a fad only for the reason that u must reload to make them great. Otherwise its more affordable to use a classic such as 30-06 or 270 win. My big thumper for one mile targets is a 300 wsm chambered for 210 vlds and a Max coal of 3.15 and case capacity of 75gr of h4350. It runs almost 75k pressure to run 3100fps but my action and twist are designed specifically for that purpose. It'll outrun and outshoot any win mag I've ever seen if I do my part. Having said that, the trend is usually bigger, badder, and faster. I personally think well see the commercialization of the 6.5 with up to a 160gr bullet. It would make sense given the ability to make better quality actions to handle the pressure. A fast twist is only needed if ur pushing a big bullet at slower speeds. If im doing the math right, a 6.5wsm with a ten twist shooting a 155gr bthp would get down the road at about 3k and should have about 1500-2000 rd life. That would be a crusher up to about 1300yds. That's just me putting it together in my head. Making my 300sm push the limits with a 210vld cost me almost $5000 so it may be a while before commercialization of either. If it can happen, I would look at f-class or benchrest shooters to build it first.
 
3100fps with 210gr bullets out of a WSM! I bet your brass does not last long AT ALL. Plenty of people hunt moose with their Sweed, I would personaly use my 7 mag or 270WSM on somthing that big just for piece of mind, but I know that the 6.5x55 will do the job with 160gr bonded bullets.
 
They don't. LOL. I only get three reloads tops outta them before the necks completely run out. My Boomer is strictly a very long range target and open f class gun.
 
This is just the thread I'm looking for. I, too, love the 6.5mm projectiles, and Kachok, I've read your posts with great interest in the past. Here's my dilemma: I have two rifles in 6.5x55, a Blaser R8 and a Ruger No1, and I have an AA 6.5 Grendel. All are great guns, and I have been considering another rifle in 6.5. I was toying with the idea of getting a .260 Remington from Savage, when I read an article by Jeff Quinn about the Savage Lightweight Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. It has a 20" bbl, and weighs in at 5.5 lbs or so.

It looks like a good setup, provided Savage can make a left-hand version, but I want to know what you guys' thoughts are comparing it to the .260 Rem. with a 22" barrel.

Thanks
 
Yeah man, if I can/could find any more reasonably priced mauser actions I would build a couple more of the 6.5x55. I shoot 120 Sierra Pro Hunters and 125 Noslers at about 2950fps and they are pretty accurate in my $90 barrel.
 
Love my carl gustav and ordered a unique tpg1 in 6,5*55.
Considered the 6,5*47 lapua but didnt because they seem to be real barrel burners.
 
Yup, all the 6.5s are terribly faddish chamberings - crazy Euros and their century-old metric chamberings thinking they can do anything better than King 308. After all, 6.5 is less than 7.62!

I'd advise EVERYBODY to stick with their "military issue" 308s and stay away from 6.5 components, especially the 123/140 A-Max and Lapua/Nosler/RP 260 Rem brass.
 
I'd love a 6.5. The problem is finding a rifle in 6.5. The Euros make them in 6.5x55, but they are either not imported or are hard to find in this country. Ruger, T/C and Savage are making 6.5 Creedmoors now, but you and your gun better like Hornady ammunition if you shoot factory...and you better like Hornady brass if you reload. As popular as the .260 Remington seems to be for competition, where are the hunting rifles? At least there you have 4 brands of brass and 7 or 8 brands of factory ammo.

I'd buy a T/C Icon in 6.5 Creedmoor, but in 5 years it might be an obsolete cartridge. At least 6.5x55 will never become obsolete as long as self contained cartridges are not obsolete. Just have to find a gun for it that doesn't carry a rare gun premium.
 
Just think, if it wasn't for MacArthur, right now we would be buying cases of surplus .276 Pedersen at $.35/round. Damn you Douggie! ;)
 
Love my carl gustav and ordered a unique tpg1 in 6,5*55.
Considered the 6,5*47 lapua but didnt because they seem to be real barrel burners.
Where did you hear that the 6.5x47 was a barrel bunner??? I find that HIGHLY unlikley since is uses a noticably smaller powder charge then the 6.5x55 or 260. If any of them should be considerd a barrel burner it is the 6.5-284 which has a competition barrel life of about 1500 rounds. But if you do the math on that it is no worse then the 270 win, so hunting rifle barrel life will be many happy years. Now the 264 win mag has a long standing reputation of eating barrals for breakfast, lunch and supper.
 
I will also call bs on the x47 being a barrel burner. I have just over 4k through my shilen barrel, and it's still shooting strong. Having said that, I will be replacing the barrel as soon as my bartlein shows up. Still, 4k is by no means a barrel burner.
 
Well, you left out the 6.5 JAP - I know, nobody shoots an Arisaka? But they did. Lots of countries have tried the 6.5 for one reason or another and moved on for service arm. My guess is it will always be a nich round? Big nich, but still less than the 7mm or 30 cal folks.

That's not to say it ain't fun to fool with :) It's all fun, but for average Joe there are other rounds his buddies are talking him into as the wander through the tick brush.
 
Things have really come full circle, the 6.5X55 was one of the first long ranged military calibers, then the world moved to 7.62 and 8mm bores for their standard military rifles, they we decided that we wanted something lighter so the 5.56x45 and 5.45x39 became the mainstays, now we discoverd that we are not getting the versitility out of those tiny bore rifles and we want something in between. Hence the renwed intrest in the 6.5mm and 6.8mm bore. 6.5 Grendal, 6.5x47 and 6.8 SPC being prime examples. Pistols have gone full circle too, more then once in fact. 45 LC to 38 to 45 ACP then to 9mm (near identical to .38) When we have sufficient killing energy we want more capasity, when we have a bunch of bullets we wish we had more umph behind them, the cycle will never end LOL
 
A few years ago I had Gordy Gritters build me a 1000 yd gun. We used a Rem VLS with a Krieger 1:8 28" barrel and all the trimings in 6.5-284. At that time it was a wildcat and brass was scarce and costly. It is a bench rifle for me and I have yet to try 1000 yds. Savage came out with a 6.5-284 Hunter and I jumped on it. I reload and have way to much brass for one 6.5-284 so it works out. The 6.5-284 tops out for me at 140 g bullet a flat shooting long range combo suitible for up to Mule deer size game. School is out on Elk for me as I would opt for a 7mm mag. The down side of the 6.5-284 is ammo, Nosler sells it in 140 g at almost $2/ round. I like the round, however the wife does well with her .243.
Jim
 
My 6.5 was made in 1907 and will hit a dime at 100 yards. I see no reason to replace it with anything newer.
 
One of the reasons they chopped up so many 6.5 Arisakas for sporters, besides the superior action and light weight, cheap,too, was how good they were for deer and such in the first configuration. Good drop,less mess. Like they said in the Pacific, a 6.5 will kill you just as dead as anything else.
 
I'd love a 6.5. The problem is finding a rifle in 6.5. The Euros make them in 6.5x55, but they are either not imported or are hard to find in this country. Ruger, T/C and Savage are making 6.5 Creedmoors now, but you and your gun better like Hornady ammunition if you shoot factory...and you better like Hornady brass if you reload. As popular as the .260 Remington seems to be for competition, where are the hunting rifles? At least there you have 4 brands of brass and 7 or 8 brands of factory ammo.

I'd buy a T/C Icon in 6.5 Creedmoor, but in 5 years it might be an obsolete cartridge. At least 6.5x55 will never become obsolete as long as self contained cartridges are not obsolete. Just have to find a gun for it that doesn't carry a rare gun premium.
I found my Tikka T3 Stianless 6.5x55 NIB for $408 a great gun for about $250 below the bargin store prices, just gatta keep an eye out for a deal :)
 
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