New King of 6.5mm
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Zak Smith
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article | 6.5mm Shootout: .260 Remington vs. 6.5x47 Lapua vs. 6.5 Creedmoor
Uhh, kind of a non sequitur there. The resurgence in interest in mid size 6.5mm cartridges has nothing to do with hunting.
Outlaw81,,
What you're doing is unsafe.
So wats unsafe?! LOL!! I understand the pressures are very high. That's why certain degrees of preparation are taken to insure safety. Putting an engineer and gunsmith together can lead to some amazing weapons. I was merely giving an example of what pushing things under $$$$$ can do. That usually deters people from attempting stuff. The other thing is that I've been building guns, improving actions, and building my own bullets (not casting) for the better part of 15 years now. I've cut hundreds of chambers out of different materials and seen the upper limits of what can be made. Thank u for ur concern tho Zack, but things are only dangerous for people who lack the ability or the knowledge to accomplish goals safely.
USSR
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Ah, I see, if you're smart enough, you can operate at pressures beyond what brass and steel are designed for.
Don
Zak Smith
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Loading significantly beyond what the components and parts are designed for is unsafe.
If you want to shoot a .30 grain bullet at .300 RUM performance with the same safety levels and margins, you use a case with capacity similar to .300 RUM. There is no free lunch.
We have a forum rule detailed here regarding heavy loads http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=27444
Don's comment is right on.
If you want to shoot a .30 grain bullet at .300 RUM performance with the same safety levels and margins, you use a case with capacity similar to .300 RUM. There is no free lunch.
We have a forum rule detailed here regarding heavy loads http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=27444
Don's comment is right on.
USSR & Zack.
Im not trying to challenge people's knowledge of firearms, loading, or intelligence. My friend Eric and I have been working at this stuff for a good long time now and yes, it is dangerous for the newbie reloader to do or for someone to attempt without the proper knowledge or equipment. Without experimentation we are simply left with guessing what our limits are. Trust me, I've had my fair share of blow-back and flattened cases in my lifetime. LOL!! Its all part of testing and learning the limits of our machinery and abilities. Im by no means an expert but I have found ways to strengthen the crush point of certain things. We have built some guns that are appropriate for what we use them for and nothing else. We never try selling them to the public nor will I ever tell someone how to do this. You never know who may hurt themselves. Y'all be good.
Im not trying to challenge people's knowledge of firearms, loading, or intelligence. My friend Eric and I have been working at this stuff for a good long time now and yes, it is dangerous for the newbie reloader to do or for someone to attempt without the proper knowledge or equipment. Without experimentation we are simply left with guessing what our limits are. Trust me, I've had my fair share of blow-back and flattened cases in my lifetime. LOL!! Its all part of testing and learning the limits of our machinery and abilities. Im by no means an expert but I have found ways to strengthen the crush point of certain things. We have built some guns that are appropriate for what we use them for and nothing else. We never try selling them to the public nor will I ever tell someone how to do this. You never know who may hurt themselves. Y'all be good.
Zak Smith
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You're not impugning anyone's knowledge or intelligence. What you're doing is unsafe.
We have another member who is well known for "finding the limits" with "experimentation" with extreme overpressure pistol loads. What he is doing is also unsafe.
We have another member who is well known for "finding the limits" with "experimentation" with extreme overpressure pistol loads. What he is doing is also unsafe.
Brian Williams
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Where did you have your 6.5-06 built? <GRIN>
I would love to have a 6.5 Grendel built on a small CZ action or one of the old Mini Mausers. It would be a great woods rifle in Eastern PA.
vaupet
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On the 6.5x47 being a barrel burner, some clarification, I got my info from a person in the surroundings of Lionel Cox, who finished 30th in the latest european championships rifle prone 300 m. They estimate a barrel will last about 5000 rounds and I interpreted this as barrel burner, my mistake.
For someone like Lionel, in international competition, 5000 rnds are not to many years.
On the rifles: Most of the competitors shoot Grunig and Elmiger rifles worth around 6000 euro these days, with diopter open sights, my Unique tpg1 is ordered for 4700 euro and will be topped with a 2200 euro S&B pmII 4-14x50 .
Hope this cleared things a little bit.
Have fun
Peter
For someone like Lionel, in international competition, 5000 rnds are not to many years.
On the rifles: Most of the competitors shoot Grunig and Elmiger rifles worth around 6000 euro these days, with diopter open sights, my Unique tpg1 is ordered for 4700 euro and will be topped with a 2200 euro S&B pmII 4-14x50 .
Hope this cleared things a little bit.
Have fun
Peter
Kachok
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I don't agree, just because an article talks them up as LD shooting calibers does not deminish their effectivness on game, Savage, Ruger and TC are chambering some of the new 6.5s in their factory hunting rifles, and hunting bullets can be found in factory loads. I hunt with a 6.5mm and have for quite some time now, no deer that ever walked would know the difference between it and a 270 win. I think as hunters becore more well read on external and terminal ballistics the very high BC/SD 6.5mm bullets become more and more appealing. Is there something "magic" about the 6.5mm bore? No of course not, but what does make it different is the tight standard twist stabalizing long highly taperd bullets very well. If the 25-06 was designed with a 1:8 twist in mind we would be talking about the remarkable external ballistics and disproportionate killing ability of the 25 cal bullets instead of the 6.5mm, and all the LD shooters would be drooling over the 25-284 make no mistake about it. Not knocking the quater bore guys, it is a great round too, but it's lighter bullets lend themselves to thinner skin game, and less aerodynamic efficiency. A tradeoff to get higher speeds.
article | 6.5mm Shootout: .260 Remington vs. 6.5x47 Lapua vs. 6.5 Creedmoor
Uhh, kind of a non sequitur there. The resurgence in interest in mid size 6.5mm cartridges has nothing to do with hunting.
Outlaw81,,
What you're doing is unsafe.
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Zak Smith
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Kachok,
The growth of the 6.5mm caliber over the last 8 years is due principally to long-range target shooters. The comparative difference between calibers for the vast majority of hunting applications is very small. The .260 was originally introduced as a hunting cartridge, and due to either almost no demand in the market or a poor job by Remington, it languished until it was "rescued" by the target shooters. It is fair to ask which of these 6.5's will still be around and/or used by hunters in the future. Based on the past, I would expect it to be those that are either already entrenched, or those that maintain a target shooting following.
5000 rounds is not a barrel burner. Just about the only centerfire cartridge still used for competition with a longer barrel life is 7.62x51/.308. Barrels are consumable items.
The growth of the 6.5mm caliber over the last 8 years is due principally to long-range target shooters. The comparative difference between calibers for the vast majority of hunting applications is very small. The .260 was originally introduced as a hunting cartridge, and due to either almost no demand in the market or a poor job by Remington, it languished until it was "rescued" by the target shooters. It is fair to ask which of these 6.5's will still be around and/or used by hunters in the future. Based on the past, I would expect it to be those that are either already entrenched, or those that maintain a target shooting following.
5000 rounds is not a barrel burner. Just about the only centerfire cartridge still used for competition with a longer barrel life is 7.62x51/.308. Barrels are consumable items.
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