New law being discussed about sex offenders...Poetic Justice?

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Castration as a means of "rehabilitating" or "controlling" sex offenders is based on a lot of myths.

1st myth is that when castrated males lose all sex drive ... this is false (in fact some castrated males are still capable of erection). Even if they can't "get it up" there are plenty of other was to rape and molest. The best way to use castration on males to reduce sex drive is to castrate them before puberty.

2nd myth is that castration will end the desire to rape/molest ... some rapists and molesters rape and molest out of frustration from erectile/sexual disfunciton.

3rd myth is that castration will cause males to become "compliant and non-violent".


Castrating sex offenders would be like cutting the right foot off of speeders ... it won't make it impossible for them to drive or re-offend nor eliminate their desire to do so.


Now if we castrated sex offenders by having their victims do it with dull scissors and no anesthesia ... well then maybe there'd be a point to it :evil:
 
My point was that if we are going to be incredibly sensitive to any encroachments on the 2nd (and we should), we should have the same respect for the rest of the amendments, including the 8th.
 
RevDisk said:
In my opinion, there is only two ways of stopping the worst sex offenders. Execution or Remora. Remora is the choice I favor more, actually. Quick and efficient, as compared to decades of legal battles involved in capital punishment cases.
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Remora? :confused:

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For a site that prides itself in understanding and supporting our Bill of Rights, it ashames me that so many of you most likely haven't read any other amendment besides the Second in quite some time.

Suffice it to say that we do not torture people in this country, nor do we cut off body parts or implement cruel and unusual forms of punishment. That is for countries like Saudi Arabia or the former Iraqi republic. We are not them.

It's fair to say that if you cannot support the bill of rights in its entirety, you forfeit any amount of credibility when you claim to support a part of it. I don't think that violent rapists who are not rehabilitated belong out in society, but I don't condone torture either.
 
scout26:
Sexual Predators are only cured five seconds after the first shovelful of dirt hits their coffin.
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Good quote. I vote for this solution BUT... We have to be careful who we call a "Sexual Predator". I've got a problem with the definition.

While each case is unique, a statutory rape case against some guy who is one or two years older than his "victim" for the most part makes me wonder. Was daddy po'd that his little princess was doin the nasty?

We need to define who these people are before we execute the offenders. I think an age definition would be a good idea. If the victim is 14 or younger and there is 4 years or more difference in age or something...
 
Remora?
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McNeil Islands Special Corrections unit is known amongst the entrenched internet community of sex offenders as "Remora" - they are MORTALLY fearful of being sent there and will do ANYTHING in order to avoid it, because they will be incarcerated by people who *know what they are* and thus are just about impossible to 'get over' on.

I am not sure of the origin of the term, mayhaps something of the "once it gets you it never lets go" variety, but it strikes deathly fear into the freaks, even the very WORD makes them twitchy and fearful.

And you know what ?

That's a damned good thing! :)

-K
 
Any penalty against rapists and child predators must also serve as a deterrant to future predators. The penalty must be visual and broadcasted nationwide to show potential miscreants what our society does to molesters and rapists. Maybe they would think twice about their temptations if they knew some horrible televised death was waiting for them to humiliate them upon their demise.

Sparky, a noose, a firing squad, etc. are all precedented in this country. A tall cliff, wrecking ball, or a sharpened spindle could be a little more useful in conveying our society's stance on predators.

Just locking them up lags behind the commision of these crimes. There will always be new predators as long as they think they can get away with it, or can just do the time. The deterrant approach would at least be a little pro-active.
 
wasnt the castration thing debated and struck down in court already?

it had been offered as a choice and deemed cruel. especially putting one in that position
 
Raven,

Haven't you heard? The constitution is a "living document"! Torture is now defined as putting underwear on a persons head and allowing dogs to bark at him. I don't see how feeding a person to an industrial wood chipper is cruel or unusual in today's world.

David
 
I would say that the 8th amendment is indeed a "living amendment." I don't see what the Originalist interpretation is other than "apply modern standards as to what punishments are cruel or unusual." it's not like "cruel and unusual" was slang for a specific set of punishments, or something.
 
Torture is now defined as putting underwear on a persons head and allowing dogs to bark at him.
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Rape and sexual abuse are indeed forms of torture. A .45 ACP round to the brainstem would be my preferred punishment for such "creatures" that commit such acts. In my opinion, it's even lower when a person wearing a uniform, any uniform, in a position of authority does so.
 
I don't see what the Originalist interpretation is other than "apply modern standards as to what punishments are cruel or unusual."
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...and I don't see as applying to anything but being drawn and quartered or boiled in oil.

David
 
Only if you consider it cruel to torture a rapist... Whether the 8th amendment is violated depends entirely on your definition of cruel.
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You realize that by this exact same logic the definition of "sex offender" is infinitely variable as well, depending on the intent of the person who wrote the law. A simple stroke of the pen can make a wolf-whistle into a "sexual offense".
 
Welcome to my world, where you get stuck with laws written by people with no legal training and, in many cases, no functioning brain cells, and are expected to enforce them to the letter. And, also remember, I went to school for three years studying law full time, and many of these laws are still hard to read, understand, and then utilize.

Here in Ohio, they have created a hierarchy of sex offenders, if you will. Sexual Predator tops the chain, followed by Habitual Sex Offender (which does not really mean "habitual" as you would think it does), with sexually Oriented Offender bringing up the rear. After a person is convicted of a "sex offense", a hearing is held to determine the sex offender classification. This classification is then used for purposes such as teh Sex Offender Registry, varying the length of time a person is required to remain on the registry.

One other interesting aspect of Ohio law is the way the age of the victim is utilized. Sex with a child under 13 is Rape. Consent is irrelevent. This is probably what many people think of as "statutory rape", meaning that the prosecution does not need to prove any element of force. THere is then Illegal Sexual Conduct With A Minor, covering sexual acts with a chid between the age of 13 and 16. Again, consent is irrelevent. In order to be a felony offense, the offender must be at leat four years older than the victim. If the offender is ten or more years older, then it heightens the offense and the penalty. ONce a person turns 16, there is a split in Ohio jurisdictions. Some consider consentual sex between a 16 or 17 year old and an adult (18 and over) to fall under Contributing to the Unruliness of a Minor, by endangering the victim's health or morals. My county does not pursue this charge, as our office has determined that 16 and 17 year olds in this day and age are old enough to make this charge inappropriate. Now, force at any age makes sex Rape, use of drugs or alcohol to coerce sex constitutes Sexual Battery, regardless of the victim's age, and mentally/physically handicapped victims are treated differently.

So, we don't have the problem around here of the 18 yar old and 17 year old committing a sex crime in the back seat of a car, other than a possible Public Indecency offense.

Personally, I think that pedophiles cannot be fixed by modern psychiatry, so the Remora facility sounds pretty good. Actually, a large bore bullet sounds good to me, but that's why I didn't volunteer for the Sex Crimes unit.
 
Want to know, I mean really deep down know, with absolute epistomological and ontological certitude what a society values?

Take a long hard look at the acts the society deems an offense followed by how that society punishes those offenses.

We here in the USoA are all hat and no cattle. We are not serious about "protecting the chillren" for harm. We don't really care that their lives are destroyed while leaving the body mostly intact.

Way down in our guts we know what has to happen. We just don't have the moral courage to admit it and then act. :scrutiny:
 
...and I don't see as applying to anything but being drawn and quartered or boiled in oil.
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Do you have any sort of evidence that would imply that this was what was meant? I'm guessing no, in which case your personal preferences are irrelevent.
 
Vang,

You are too much fun! Too bad they don't let me over at the DU. We could go play in your yard.

David
 
I'm not sure how much more of a hardcore libertarian I could be. I also do not think the statement "citizens should be allowed to own tanks and automatic weapons" would go over well at DU.
 
Libertarian? That remains to me seen. You've got 20 or so post, all in L&P, all on nearly the same subject. You'll have to forgive me if I don't take you seriously. Even if you aren't a troll, you're still a utopian.


David
 
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