New Law - No HOLLOWPOINTS in MN???

[usmarine0352_2005]

Has anyone heard a of this New Law in MN starting this week already that says:

You cannot possess HOLLOWPOINT pistol ammo???

Even if you have a permit to carry???

 

[Eagle103]

Has anyone heard a of this New Law in MN starting this week already that says:

You cannot possess HOLLOWPOINT pistol ammo???

Even if you have a permit to carry???

You've got to be kidding me. Where did you hear this?

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

A friend of mine who's a cop said that another cop was talking about it, and or pulled someone over and they discussed it. (I didn't fully understand what he was saying.)

He wasn't sure about the law, but he wanted me to make sure I wasn't carrying hollowpoints just in case. So I didn't get in trouble.

 

[Lbys]

The only one I can find...

...on the books which deals with specific ammunition is this one:

624.74 METAL-PENETRATING BULLETS.
Subdivision 1. Intent. This section is designed to give law enforcement officers performing
their official duties a reasonable degree of protection from penetration of quality body armor.
It is not the intent of this section to restrict the availability of ammunition for personal defense,
sporting, or hunting purposes.
Subd. 2. Definition. For purposes of this section, "metal-penetrating bullet" means a handgun
bullet of 9 mm, .25, .32, .357, .38, .41, .44, or .451 caliber which is comprised of a hardened core
equal to the minimum of the maximum attainable hardness by solid red metal alloys which
purposely reduces the normal expansion or mushrooming of the bullet's shape upon impact.
"Metal-penetrating bullet" excludes any bullet composed of copper or brass jacket with lead or
lead alloy cores and any bullet composed of lead or lead alloys.
Subd. 3. Use or possession in commission of a crime. Any person who uses or possesses a
metal-penetrating bullet during the commission of a crime is guilty of a felony and may be
sentenced to imprisonment for not more than three years or to payment of a fine of not more
than $5,000, or both. Any imprisonment sentence imposed under this subdivision shall run
consecutively to any sentence imposed for the other crime.
Subd. 4. Local regulation. This section shall be construed to supersede any municipal or
county regulation of ammunition, including its component parts.
History: 1982 c 525 s 1; 1984 c 628 art 3 s 11

Here's the link to the law on the MN website:

http://ros.leg.mn/bin/getpub.php?pu...=624.74&keyword_type=exact&keyword=ammunition

If I'm reading this correctly, it seems the only type of regulated ammunition is AP or similar. I can't find anything in the statutes specifically prohibiting hollow-point ammunition. IANAL; YMMV; free legal advice is worth what you pay for it.

lbys

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

I the answer. Here's what I pulled from twincitiescarry.com:

sted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
usmarine0352 wrote:

I wasn't trying to b.s. anyone. Why would I waste the time. I'm being 100% serious. With a serious question.

A friend of mine who's a cop said that another cop was talking about it, and or pulled someone over and they discussed it. (I didn't fully understand what he was saying.) He wasn't sure about the law, but he wanted me to make sure I wasn't carrying hollowpoints just in case. So I didn't get in trouble.
You're not bsing anybody; they were just misinformed.

This is the reply I got:

In fact, I've been reasonably reliably informed that a couple of MPD cops busted somebody on a DWB the other night, and tried to book him on possession of hollowpoints, then had to kick him loose, as possession of hollowpoints -- even by somebody DWB -- isn't unlawful.

 

[Jim March]

The only loads that might fall afoul of this are the various Barnes X-bullet all-copper hollowpoints (aka Cor-Bon DPX) and possibly the out-of-production PMC "copper tubular" things, I forget what they were called.

The DPX has no AP capabilities, but it's also got no lead whatsoever. A bit iffy under this silly law.

 

[mnrivrat]

No such law in the state of MN regarding hollow points.


A misunderstanding by someone .

 

[230RN]

But the language itself brings up a question which has bothered me for a while. Years ago when I was reloading extensively, bullets for the .45 ACP were .452" in diameter. I was confused when I started reloading again (for a different caliber) and I happened to notice all .45 ACP bullets were now .451" in diameter.

Not that it makes a big difference (0.0005" on the radius), but when and why was the change made? Anyone know?

But regarding that law, it would seem, once again, "if I'm reading it correctly," the law only refers to its possession or use "during the commission of a crime." And it specifically says it's intent is not to limit self-defense.

So what's the big deal for legal carriers?

A tempest in a teapot?

 

[Anotherguy]

Lead cast bullets are .452". Jacketed bullets are .451".

 

[Ala Dan]

Some persons refer to any hollow point bullet design as "cop killer bullets"~!

They don't understand that shot placement is paramount; even with these
hollow point bullets; nor does instant death occur automatically because
someone is shot with a hollow point bullet. What nerds~!

Continuing- There have been many hollow point bullets on the market
for many years; and with vast improvements in technology, advances
have been made to increase expansion, penetration, etc. But, one
thing remains constant- its nothing more than a hollow point bullet.

 

[230RN]

AnotherGuy said: "Lead cast bullets are .452". Jacketed bullets are .451."

No, these were all FMJs, 20-25 years ago, all .452 dia. But let it go. Wasn't a big deal, just curious.

[/HIJACK]

 

[gezzer]

How about the MORON cops get sent back through the academy again? No? Then fire them for absolute incompetence, they are taking the paycheck, benefits and building for retirement.

Let the PD defenders flame this, but I have one question how can you put up with incompetence like that in coworkers? I am not a cop basher as I am retired from the system. I hated moron co-workers and would never defend one as their stupidity made ME look bad.

 

[Langenator]

a handgun
bullet of 9 mm, .25, .32, .357, .38, .41, .44, or .451 caliber

So, then, AP pistol bullets in .400 (.40S&W, 10mm) and 7.62x25 are OK in MN. Nice to know. Make sure nobody points this out to their legislature.

 

[.cheese.]

wow... that's pretty bad to have one cop spewing that nonsense and then your buddy "not sure". I hope you tell him that as far as you can tell, his coworker is dead wrong.

A lot of people still don't see HP's as a safety feature. I do.

 

[trueblue1776]

Tell the cop he can't see your gun, as it's full of "cop killer bullets" and you don't want him to hurt himself.


Man, I make myself laugh.

 

[MrPeter]

As I was loading my XD with hollow points after a shoot at our "range", one of the people shooting with me asked, "Hey, are those the cop killer bullets?"

It was hard for me not to get really offended. I asked him, "Do you think I'm carrying this to kill cops?"
The conversation from there went on to explain how dumb that title is, in the least aggresive and offended tone I could muster.

Why cant EVERYONE see JHP's as a safety feature!? You don't have to carry hollow points in .45acp for them to be effective, but I do for SAFETY.
Do people think I pay $1 per bullet because it's "Cool?" (this is the guy who shoots wolf in everything, because it's the cheapest he can find).

People make me mad with their labels and ignorance. This law, if real, is a big step in the wrong direction.

 

[trueblue1776]

Why hollow points? Because I sure wouldn't shoot somebody if I didn't mean it.

 

[wmeSha]

You can't really blame people. I'm sort of new in the gun community (although I grew up with guns). When I started researching brands and ammo, I remember that phrase, "cop killer bullets," running through my head. Fifteen years ago I remember numerous news reports about hollowpoint bullets and that's how they were referred to.

It didn't take long to see the error in that assesment, and to realize the importance of trying to avoid overpenetration. But I was researching the topic. Someone not interested in firearms in particular would be expected to make that same mistake.

Someone at the range shouldn't make that mistake though.

 

[Hawk]

I can't find anything on a hollow point restriction for MN. Enforcement officer may have been misinformed, confused HP with "armor piercing" or some such.

It's possible something like that could make it through the legislature without registering in either NRA's or GOA's radar. Not likely, though.

It's all marketing. The Black Talon would still be on shelves if they were called "safety blossoms". I've been known to describe my HSTs as "Honeysuckle Safety Tips", specifically designed to reduce penetration.

 

[alucard0822]

nope, NJ is still the only state where hollow points are banned, they like their bullets to hit someone, go through and keep on truckin. Its kinda funny they include both .357 and .38, but omit .40/10mm. The only "cop killer bullets" that I am aware of are the ones that don't go bang when the officer needs it to.

 

[Jim K]

Anyone who takes the word of a cop on any point of law is in cloud cuckooland. Cops get very shallow legal training and tend to "make it up" as they go along. Quite a few genuine bad guys have gotten off because of police ignorance of the law.

Jim

 

[MinnMooney]

There is no such ruling/law/ordinance in Minnesota against the purchase, possesion or use of Hollow Point ammunition in handguns, rifles or for throwing at targets or legal game. They can be used in self-defense. If you can legally use FMJ, PSP or SilverTipped bullets for some activity.... you can use Hollow Points.
P.S. You can't use hollow point ammo on the 300 meter electronic targets either 'cause it ruins them. (Range rule - Not a law.)

 

[Geronimo45]

Some persons refer to any hollow point bullet design as "cop killer bullets"~!

They're also armor piercing, according to what the news folks sometimes say.

 

[Average Joe]

Oh no ! not another somebody said, that somebody heard, that somebody told them .......Please get the facts. Posting rumors only fuel the fire..

 

[Mannix]

Nope, no such law. I've gone over the existing MN state firearms laws pretty well, and I'm damn sure there isn't one mention of hollow points... though there is mention of "Assault Weapons", which has me slightly on edge about a state wide ban...