Introduction that was an FNP-45 comment
Thank you all for making thehighroad.org forum what it is. It is a privilege to register and post for the first time, 12 Jan. '09. I originally wrote the msg below to respond to specific posts on one of the (many, I now know) threads talking about FNH USA handguns....
About the FN Herstal USA FNP-45, what a sweet gun! I bought one in late Nov. 2008 at Bass Pro Shops on sale for $600 (normally $650) that included not only the pistol, three 14-round double-stack magazines and a plastic lockable hardcase, but also a BladeTech holster (with two optional belt attachments and an official “FN” logo), the yellow plastic drill/training barrel and a cable-type action lock. The case is slightly larger than the base-offering case, and all that stuff fits into it nicely. From what I saw while shopping, this price is a good deal, at least a couple of hundred $ less than an equivalent set-up from any other reputable manufacturer.
I highly recommend the FNP-45, especially for first-time buyers/users of semi-automatic handguns, as I explain below. Everything said about the gun in the reviews is true. The most helpful review IMO is by Jeff Quinn for GunBlast.com. This is linked to on the fnhusa.com website; click the “Law Enforcement and Commercial” option, then click “Reviews” on that page’s top menu bar. The only down-side I found to this FNP package that was not mentioned in the reviews (and there are few!) was that the handle of the carrying case tended to scrape my knuckles, until I used an Exacto knife to trim off some protruding plastic mold flashing.
What I can add to this forum is an explanation of why I bought the gun and how it has worked out for me. But first some background on me. I am aged in my early 50s and was raised in the gun culture and hunting traditions of Western Pennsylvania and the deep South of the USA. By age 10 I was trained competent to carry a loaded (round in the firing chamber), cocked and locked (safety on) shotgun or rifle while walking in rough terrain, hopping ditches and climbing fences, etc. without close adult supervision. I was trusted to unload the weapon, make it ready for transport in a car and clean it fastidiously when we got home. I was taught to dress, prepare for cooking and eat any game I had shot, so I saw first-hand the damage firearms do to animal flesh. But I had never had any experience with semi-automatic firearms of any kind. I had never felt the need in these United States to have a weapon for self-protection or home defense. Till now.
That changed with the results of the election in early Nov. 2008. My judgment is that the incoming Presidential administration has socialist aspirations (see for ex., the 12 Jan ’09 front-page article of a major national newspaper:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
), and socialists strongly prefer a disarmed population. A population of armed, law-abiding citizens was the explicit goal of the framers of the US Constitution, as made clear by both the wording of the Bill of Rights and recent (since 1970) historical-critical scholarly study of the writings of the Founding Fathers (sorry to be non-PC in my wording, but I also think that if the women of the Colonies and of those revolutionary times had wanted something different, they would have gotten their way.) We could debate the merits/demerits of having a population of armed, law-abiding citizens and whether that is still desirable 230 years later, but that would be the subject of another post/thread, and, for all I know, this forum has already hashed that out. Suffice to say, I felt that the current political climate may change to make acquisition of serious defense firearms much more difficult. Others feel that the incoming administration will not choose the Bill-of-Rights nor the abortion “hills to die on” in favor of using their political capital to further other broad-reaching statist aims such as government run health care (again, a subject for another posting/thread). I chose NOT to take that risk but rather to exercise my right to meaningfully arm myself under the Bill of Rights now.
That said, I was also motivated to improve my self-defense position because of an MS13 gang (South American, illegal alien-related youth drug mafia) operating a mile from my house (Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC), as well as by activities of street gangs of at least two other ethnicities. Couple that with the presence of Islamist extremists and desperados spawned by a perceived recession (I don’t see the reality of a worse-than-usual recession), and I have a reasonable expectation of needing protection for myself and my family. For the same reasons, I have begun training all my household members in safe, effective use of defensive firearms. I had been sorely lacking in passing on the education and traditions I have been given.
Back to the FNP-45. Virginia has a 30-day interval between firearm purchases requiring BATFE Form 4473 background checks, so, time-wise, I figured I had better make this purchase count. I was not disappointed. What a horse of a gun! A joy to shoot. As a beginner to large-caliber handguns, after 15 minutes of getting used to it, I was able to put 3 bullets well inside a 12-inch target circle at 25 feet distance before the first casing hit the ground. Other members of my household who have basically never shot any gun before (two of whom are light-framed women) quickly got to where all of their rounds fall into the same circle, though they have not begun rapid-fire training yet. The recoil of the gun when shooting 230 grain (15 gram) full-power FMJ training ammunition is “business-like” but handle-able. You know you’re shooting a big, powerful gun, but you can get the muzzle flip down and the sights back on target quickly. These rounds are powerful, able to go through a 1000-page-plus big-city phone book with ease, in either FMJ or JHP. The reviews say that the recoil is not much different than a 9mm from other manufacturers. The laws of physics (conservation of momentum) cannot be bypassed, but I think that FN has optimally engineered this gun to launch the big “bumble bee” (slow and heavy: 800 - 900 feet/sec and 15 grams) .45ACP slug. For one thing, when you break down the gun (super easy to do!) into the plastic frame/grip/receiver assembly in one hand and the slide/barrel/spring assembly in the other hand, it feels like you’re holding a paper clip in the one hand and a watermelon in the other (I exaggerate). By the way, if you are concerned about polymer-framed large-caliber auto-loader pistols, don’t be. Trust FNH engineers and read Paul Scarota’s article on the subject (
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/polysh_032707/). Anyway, I believe that the felt recoil is reduced because the FNP-45 is engineered to spread the recoil impulse out over a longer time-period than, say, a revolver could.
Finally, I do go out on a limb somewhat by claiming that the FNP-45 is suitable for first-time large-caliber pistol shooters including women and children of smaller build. But first, be sure you have the upper body strength to rack the slide back to chamber the first round, keeping all fingers out of the trigger guard. The recoil spring is necessarily gnarly. This is something you can test in the gun shop. Given that you can rack it back, the FNP-45 is a great gun for newbies. First of all, FNH made it that way, because it is targeted at the police and military market, whose recruits need to get up to competency quickly. The gun is “solid” – nothing squirrely or quirky about it. There are no features missing. As the reviews say, it is rugged, forgiving and as reliable as any gun any of us have seen. The operable external hammer is instructive and reassuring. Hammer pull to cock is light and smooth. There is no safety to learn (except on the “USG” variant, which can function like a 1911). Hammer down (uncocked) equals double-action (DA) equals all the safety you get, like a revolver. Experienced operators can cock during the draw-from-holster to go from DA to SA for the first shot, while newbies can train with (or stay with) first-shot-DA for safety out of the draw. Though I don’t have the standing to say so, it is obvious that this is a first-class gun fighter pistol if you habituate yourself to it. Beyond excellent function, the FNP-45 is mostly stainless steel and field strips easily for cleaning and lube into four pieces, the barrel being one of them. You can ram-rod the barrel from the breech end, as FNH recommends. The fire control mechanisms that stay in the frame/grip are complex, but you can see everything. Between a cloth-wrapped probe and a spray blast, you can quickly clean all areas. Everything is reachable with a toothpick for dispensing fractional oil droplets for lube. There’s absolutely no excuse for not having a clean machine. Finally, the User Manual is well written, if anybody cares.
FNH USA gets credit for a practical workhorse pistol at about 75% of the price of its competitors. The reviews say that the accuracy is much better than required for a service pistol. You won’t find yourself saying ‘I wish I coulda had…’ – the FNH designers deliver every feature you’d expect or something better. I am very happy with and highly recommend the FNP-45.