Henry Bowman
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I don't think the Mexicans are involved in this particular operation. 
New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms (merged w/ "You're all gonna love this one")
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I don't think the Mexicans are involved in this particular operation. hayseed
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Take this FWIW,(which may not be much)
a poster on FR states that his "contact" in NO says arms are only being taken from adandoned dwellings, and people carrying/brandishing on the street, and homeowners are being allowed to keep theirs. If true, its still sickening. But it doesn't square up with the video and other accounts. Then there's the whole camera thing.
a poster on FR states that his "contact" in NO says arms are only being taken from adandoned dwellings, and people carrying/brandishing on the street, and homeowners are being allowed to keep theirs. If true, its still sickening. But it doesn't square up with the video and other accounts. Then there's the whole camera thing.
armoredman
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Can we wake from this nightmare, now we see the Iraqui training ground clearly, and the Federalization on NG troops is automatic. I was a long time disparager of the tinfoil hat bridage, but clear evidence is darn hard to ignore. Something tells me these reporters were one of two things - aberrations, who wern't supposed to see this, or, much more likely, the straw men, to see the reaction from the nation to this tyoe of event. The government is watching these events from both sides of the TV...
Remember, as I have stated numerous times on this and other boards, the police/military are there to protect the power structure, not individual citizens. This is even admitted in the various court rulings on the subject if you care to read them.
Thus, when the power structure feels threatened, the very LAST thing to be considered is the rights of individual citizens -- instead, any and all actions needed to insure the survival of government will be taken, and to Hell with what is right or not. It WILL be made legal somehow, either through interpretation of existing law or creation of new law, or simply paying off some loud mouths.
I marvel at those who still believe in anything else. Maybe what is going on in N.O. will finally convince some of them.
Fletchette
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Coronach,
The problem here is that the government is ignoring the law. We, as Americans, do not want to overthrow the law, we want it enforced (all of it, especially the limits to government powers).
Saying that we must follow a corrupt government because disobeying a corrupt government is unlawful is a non sequitur.
Cosmoline
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Who cares about the Mexicans? THE MEXICANS ARE NOT DISARMING PEOPLE--OUR OWN LEO'S ARE!! The DOD troops aren't even involved in it. The New Orleans PD, along with the outside JBT's they've brought in, are the ones attacking the remaining people.
THE SAME POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT FELL APART AND RAN AWAY WHEN TROUBLE STARTED IS NOW RETURNING TO ATTACK THE FEW CIVILIANS WHO REMAIN!
This is the fruition of the "sheepdog" school of thought--that cops are distinct from civilians and there is a "war" on the streets.
Fletchette
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P.S.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "Instant Background Check" system went down (inexplicably) preventing firearms sales nationwide. Remember the freeze on sales during the L.A. riots.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "Instant Background Check" system went down (inexplicably) preventing firearms sales nationwide. Remember the freeze on sales during the L.A. riots.
beerslurpy
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Yeah so much for the distinction between wolves and sheepdogs. I have had a sneaking suspcion that the only difference between a sheep and a wolf is whether or not you have weapons and the will to use them. The only difference between a sheepdog and a wolf is self-discipline.
Cosmoline
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Maybe it's the first time in the past decade, but it's by no means unprecedented. Most Native Americans, citizens of Japanese ancestory during WWII, blacks during slavery and Jim Crow, the underclass in most modern American cities. It's the same old pattern. In order to control you must first disarm.
Amazing how they couldn't (wouldn't) go in when there were people who NEEDED protection from the thugs roaming the streets terrorizing people with guns. Now that the storm is passed, they are showing us how tough they are by disarming law-abiding citizens.
beerslurpy
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Phone for you sir, its an American Indian. There is a black guy on line 2 and a bunch of Polish guys from Michigan on line 3.
NineseveN
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That was good, not that this is funny, but that was good.
RealGun
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I agree as long they are taken into custody, their personal safety then the responsibility of the police. But you can't just take a man's guns and walk away saying "have a nice day".
Jim Diver
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But that's exactly what they are doing... Disarming the people and letting them stay.... Not taking them into custody.
May the constitution RIP.... And may Jefferson stop spinning in his grave.
May the constitution RIP.... And may Jefferson stop spinning in his grave.
This is new information.
I can't say who I got this from, but this needs to be known.
The reason that they are confiscating guns, as briefed to the National Guard down there, is that the officials want the city cleared. Some people just won't leave. So they are being disarmed in the hopes that this will force them to leave, because now they will be scared of the criminals and looters.
Let me repeat that. As I was informed by somebody in position to be briefed on the tactics in use, the people that are not evacuating are doing so at this point because they were prepared and armed. Once disarmed they will not be able to defend themselves from the bad guys and will have no choice but to leave.
If your state has National Guard in New Orleans, contact your Governor's office and ask them if they know what THEIR troops are being ordered to do.
I can't say who I got this from, but this needs to be known.
The reason that they are confiscating guns, as briefed to the National Guard down there, is that the officials want the city cleared. Some people just won't leave. So they are being disarmed in the hopes that this will force them to leave, because now they will be scared of the criminals and looters.
Let me repeat that. As I was informed by somebody in position to be briefed on the tactics in use, the people that are not evacuating are doing so at this point because they were prepared and armed. Once disarmed they will not be able to defend themselves from the bad guys and will have no choice but to leave.
If your state has National Guard in New Orleans, contact your Governor's office and ask them if they know what THEIR troops are being ordered to do.
DelayedReaction
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I got a response from the NRA. I'm not happy.
Jim Diver
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Do you have an email address for her?
I think we need to let her know what we expect en mass.
I think we need to let her know what we expect en mass.
Can'thavenuthingood
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Okay, I'm lost here,
Why is the city being cleared?
I've understood that parts of the city still have elctrical power, is that an incorrect statement?
If these homeowners survived the storm and looters, why are they not able to stay?
And why the confiscation of camera's and videocam's?
I've never been to New Orleans so I don't know the lay of the land. Do they plan on bulldozing the city? Sanitizing it with spraying aircraft or what?
Are the levees in danger of bursting again?
Vick
Why is the city being cleared?
I've understood that parts of the city still have elctrical power, is that an incorrect statement?
If these homeowners survived the storm and looters, why are they not able to stay?
And why the confiscation of camera's and videocam's?
I've never been to New Orleans so I don't know the lay of the land. Do they plan on bulldozing the city? Sanitizing it with spraying aircraft or what?
Are the levees in danger of bursting again?
Vick
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Just got off the phone with the Governor's office here in Georgia. It is the position of Governor Sonny Perdue's administration that if the Georgia National Guard Troops are ordered to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens, in direct violation of the 2nd Amendment, that's just hunky dory with him. I quote the interesting portion of the conversation here:
Me: You are aware of the issue of those rights being protected by the US Constitution?
Me: This is the position of the Governor?
Me: You are aware of the issue of those rights being protected by the US Constitution?
Me: This is the position of the Governor?
First, I would greatly appreciate links to rulings stating that about protecting the power structure.
Second, there must be SOME effort to protect the power structure/government, else things would decay quickly into anarchy.
Did you see the remake of War of the Worlds? That's what I'm thinking could very easily happen, and in fact it sounds like scenes like that have already played out down there.
Of course I am not advocating nor approving of any infringements of rights/liberties, just saying that some steps must be taken to ensure that there is a power structure intact for obvious reasons of providing relief to the victims.
Can'thavenuthingood
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So if disarming is done in the name of safety, isn't this placing the homeowners in jeopardy?
NRA seems a bit limp as does Mr. Perdue. What do they know we don't?
What assumptions are they making?
Puzzled.
Vick
NRA seems a bit limp as does Mr. Perdue. What do they know we don't?
What assumptions are they making?
Puzzled.
Vick
Thanks for the info.
A question for anyone who cares to answer: WHY is the city being cleared? WHY are people being FORCED to leave?
Are they going to nuke/bulldoze the city or something?
If people want to stay and take their chances, who is the govt. to say otherwise???
Oh, I guess it is all for your own good, right?
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Wonder how long that will take...
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