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New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms (merged w/ "You're all gonna love this one")

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  1. armoredman

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    Just called Gov Napiltanos office, and asked if AZ National Guard troops are in new orleans, and was told by the female staffer "yes". Asked if she knew if they wer involved in this illegal confiscation of firearms. Dead silence. I explained as best i could, and told of the consequences legally, and she aid, "Ok, thank you for calling. I was not asked for name or number, and will be probably filed as a local kook....Democrats in office....
     
  2. dpesec

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    Well, I just signed up as a life member of JFPO.
    This was in addition to writing to my REPtile and the Prez. I don't expect to get a single positive response. :(

    The only thing I'm glad of is that the Military is not a part of this. They are giving this a wide berth. At least for now.
     
  3. Werewolf

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    After I e'mailed the governor I decided a phone call might also be in order.

    Amoredman's response is about 98% the same as the response I got when I called Brad Henry's office. The only difference is that when I stated I was ashamed to be an Oklahoman for the first time in my life the Ohhhh from the female staffer did seem to have some genuine concern in it.
     
  4. oldfart

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    Who else remembers a movie called "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"? In it the government wanted locals to clear out of an area but didn't want to tell them why. So they invented an anthrax outbreak that drove almost everyone out.
    Well, now our government is telling the people of NO that the disinfectant they plan to use to clean up the area is deadly and that everyone needs to leave. They are also confiscating cameras so there will be only one version of what is about to happen. (We certainly don't need any truth here, do we?)
    I've been out of the sewer treatment business for awhile, but it seems to me that the best treatment for raw sewage is oxygenization. I suppose there are other pollutants in the water too and if oxygen won't neutralize them you'll have to burn them. To do that, you'd have to burn the whole town.
    Anybody want to make a bet?
     
  5. Hawkmoon

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    Not doubtful at all.

    Those troops and/or LEOs who are confiscating the weapons are not writing down the serial numbers and compiling a database of the people from whom they confiscated them. Those folks are never going to see their proprty again. That's THEFT. Even the LA state law that may (or maynot) authorize official commandeering of private property specifically says it is subject to the laws regarding compensation. How can there be compensation when there is no record of what has been taken, and from whom?

    And we're mostly looking at this from the general aspect of people being deprived of their constitutionally guaranteed (supposedly) right to the means of self defense. Are (were) there NO gun collectors in New Orleans? If these troops are conducting house-to-house searches (which we probably taught them to do well in Iraq), they may "confiscate" entire collections worth thousands of dollars. Even in the unlikely circumstance that the owner may receive adequate compensation from his/her insurance (if they have firearms insurance), the collection will never be given back. It may be (probably will be) lost forever.

    A 30-day emergency order, properly issued with all 'I's dotted and all 'T's crossed, may cover telling people to get out of Dodge, but it doesn't (IMHO) provide any justification for the permanent confiscation of legally-owned personal property. It would seem that the most that could be justified would be for privately-owned firearms to be impounded for the duration of the 30-day emergency order ... after which they would have to be released to the lawful owners, or the agents of the owners. That ain't what's happening here.
     
  6. kbheiner7

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    Where is the NRA? They should be shouting from the roof tops!
     
  7. Hawkmoon

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    www.firstgov.com
     
  8. RealGun

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    The story is to prevent pictures of corpses from being spread all over the media. That sounds nice, but the confiscation is illegal, I believe. Some of that equipment could be quite valuable, but the owners will not likely ever see it again.
     
  9. Hawkmoon

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    Yep.

    Illegal and unconstitutional as all get out, but exactly the sort of under-handed, Machiavellian tactic I would expect "government" to pull on its citizens.
     
  10. dpesec

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    Hawkmoon,
    Well this goes to show you that you should never let an LEO inside you home without a warrent.
     
  11. Hawkmoon

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    I never do. If I call 'em or if they show up asking about something someone else has reported, if possible I go outside and head 'em off at their black-and-white. If they get as far as the front door, I talk to them at the front door ... me on the inside and them on the outside.

    I've known and worked with too many of 'em to trust them. I can think of four, maybe five across the entire country whom I consider to be not just honest, but honourable LEOs. I know there are more than that just in my little town alone who are the opposite ... and that doesn't begin to count the FBI types I worked with. All nice guys, but their priority is making the bust, and if a "civilian's" livelihood or reputation happened to be damaged as a result of cooperating ... well, that's too bad. "Collateral damage."
     
  12. Jake

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    I sent this out to Pres, VP and congresscritters for all the good it'll probably do. While I ain't exactly Shakespeare, if anybody wants to copy it please feel free to do so.




    Dear Sir,

    While following the coverage of the relief effort in New Orleans I was outraged and deeply saddened to learn that the local goverment has begun to confiscate legally owned firearms from citizens. It would appear that the local law enforcement, with assistance from Federal Marshalls, has even gone so far as to begin raiding occupied homes to seize firearms.

    I find this violation of the rights of American citizens deeply disturbing. It also flys in the face of common sense. The recent situation in the aftermath of the hurricane has proven beyond a doubt the need for people to possess the means to defend their lives and those of their loved ones instead of relying on others for their protection.

    I am depending on you Sir, to do everything in your power, to not only protest and rectify these actions but to ensure that it will never happen again.
     
  13. pmcbooks

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    Requesting confirmation and sources for the claim that cameras are really being confiscated as well.

    Couldn't believe those troops saying "I can't believe this is happening in America."

    Then why are YOU doing it?! :cuss:
     
  14. Mongo the Mutterer

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    Nope, no bet.

    Now YOU ALL WATCH.

    1. All the poor in NOLA are going to be paid off with our tax dollars.

    2. The insurance companies are going to pay off the middle/upper middle.

    3. The rich are going to take their insurance payments and start investing.

    and.... the land is going to be sold to RE Speculators who probably have paid off the LA politicians already.

    In other words, we take it in the shorts for the Demo Mayor the Demo Gov, and the rest of the shakedown artists. Surprised? Not me.

    Oh, and the folks who had their weapons stolen by the evil FEDGOVs with EBRs will have to get on the bus this weekend, and will be ushered out of dodge. OR an amazing re-influx of criminals will occur.

    Cynical?
     
  15. JohnBT

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    "Where is the NRA? They should be shouting from the roof tops!"

    We should. Tell every hunter and target shooter you know to join the NRA if they haven't already. Then tell them to join another group.

    Now we have the rebuttal to "Oh, they'd never take my shotgun."

    John
     
  16. english kanigit

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    Well dang, that was a long read...

    This is disturbing to say the least. I think I'll be going through my ammo cabnet once I get home.

    Is it time to start the, "What guns and equipment are you bringing to NO,LA?" thread? :(

    My biggest concern is the military units (ours) already down there. Prior to leaving for work at the pool today, I was watching FOX. There are marines and AAVs there, there's the 82nd Airborne and assorted Guard units. I don't for a moment believe that they will sit idly by if the local 'authorities' get attacked. :banghead:

    Any thoughts?
    (P.S. - Stop by the thread mentioned above. I'm headed to S&T to create it once I finish this...)
     
  17. NMshooter

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    At this point all I can say is ask yourself this question: Who benefits?

    New Orleans must be rebuilt.

    It is the end of the Mississippi river, one of the most important lines of communication in this country, there must be port facilities capable of handling bulk shipments.

    I see a (shakedown) large increase in taxes coming out of this.

    Remember, it all comes down to money and power.
     
  18. Brett Bellmore

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    Well, it finally showed up without comment in the NRA's news section.
     
  19. craig

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    the wife and i are pretty p.o.'ed about this.if the nra does nothing,they have lost 2 members. if the gov. gets away with this, the republcan party has lost 2 votes.
     
  20. magsnubby

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    It's with a sad heart that i post this....

    When the AWB was allowed to sunset i warned people it would be back bigger and nastier than before. People called me stupid and ignorant. Several states have introduced their own version of the AWB. So far as i know none of them have passed any AWB legislation. Yet. Every time some one posts about some new anti-gun law in California people scream "California"..."Couldn't ever happen here"..."Stupid ?#&%@$ commies"...

    Still belive it "...couldn't ever here..."? No "I told you so" from me. Just a plea for all you in gun friendly states to help make sure this doesn't ever happen again.
     
  21. Ryder

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    Too many people down there have nothing left to lose and nothing left to live for. They are teasing caged monster.
     
  22. mountainclmbr

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    If I were Bush, I would arrest all LA LEO because many LEO in NO looted. So round 'em all up and flush them! State that it is based on the precedence of the gun confiscations of known legal firearms so the LEO would have no claim to infringement of Constitutional rights since they BLATENTLY ignored them. Who cares if they committed crime or not, they are part of a group that did commit crime and they did not stop it. Punishing broad groups for the actions of the few should go both ways. Let the gun owners try the LEO if it is found that they are, in general, less corrupt (a given). The good must be the rulers. I have been in NO for just two days driving home from FL and I was totally convinced it was a communist, police state, government tyranny from that short experience. These people in NO voted for their communist government and gave up responsibility for themselves. Bad things happen when people make bad decisions. How can these people believe in Darwinism and not accept what happened.
     
  23. John G

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    My senators are Clinton and Schumer. Write them? I might as well float the letters down the canal.
     
  24. doc Russia

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    It's no use

    Remember that Al Gonzalez is the US AG, and his opinion of private firearms ownership is well-documented. There is no way in Hell that he will do anything other than advise Bush to keep allowing the NOPD to continue their rape of the bill of rights.
     
  25. GlenJ

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    If Slick Willy were president it would be a left wing plot with Linbaugh and Hannity going nuts. How do you dues paying NRA members feel about this??
     
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