NEW RemArms 870s!
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Even with all of these problems they will still sell because of the name. American consumers love to support companies with names that their grandparents grew up with. I have a Remington rifle from 1932 that belonged to my Grandfather. I would not take any amount of money for it (it is still a tackdriver). I also would not buy anything new from them today.
I like the older guns myself I have a 1980 Remington Wingmaster (Police) in almost new condition but changed to a 26" rib at some point, my other gun is a 1978 Winchester 101 in exceptional condition. They made things good in the old days in my opinion.
Dave
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I think we are comparing an Express to an old Wingmaster. At that price point it ain't going to be a Wingmaster with nice wood and workmanship. Hopefully they will bring a new Wingmaster out but don't expect to pay that price for one. I don't have an Express but I have hunted with friends that used them and they seemed reliable, I do have an 1954 Wingmaster 16 ga. Kinda like the shock we went through when Winchester went from the Model 12 to the 1200.
For that money we ain't going to get "fit and finish".
For that money we ain't going to get "fit and finish".
KevinB
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Remington has issued a response to the video referenced in the first post:
The short of it is, the firearms shown were from old stock made prior to RemArms taking over. According to the response, RemArms made guns will be shipping in the coming months.
The short of it is, the firearms shown were from old stock made prior to RemArms taking over. According to the response, RemArms made guns will be shipping in the coming months.
Kingcreek
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The latest American rifleman mag says that raw material increases etc blah blah will mean retail prices around $480 for an express.
Makes me feel real good about advising a friend to jump on a beretta 303 for $475 (excellent condition w choke tubes)
Makes me feel real good about advising a friend to jump on a beretta 303 for $475 (excellent condition w choke tubes)
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I would buy one for $250
Lets be realistic here. This is a $350-$400 shotgun. I have hunting boots that cost more than that. Factored in for inflation a new Remington 870 made today would have to cost over $1000 to to match what 1975 dollars were worth.
We can't blame Remington for this. It is consumers who won't pay the price for quality, then complain when the quality isn't there. I'm sure Remington COULD, (and they have) build a shotgun of the same quality as the older guns. But when they do consumers leave them on the shelf.
It is the under $300 shotguns that consumers buy. Manufacturers make what sells, and most consumers don't care that the stock doesn't fit perfectly.
We can't blame Remington for this. It is consumers who won't pay the price for quality, then complain when the quality isn't there. I'm sure Remington COULD, (and they have) build a shotgun of the same quality as the older guns. But when they do consumers leave them on the shelf.
It is the under $300 shotguns that consumers buy. Manufacturers make what sells, and most consumers don't care that the stock doesn't fit perfectly.
Assuming that is true it still isn't much of a defense. It means that after over a year they still aren't actually manufacturing anything. This new RemArms will likely go bankrupt as well.
I picked up two RIAs last week, and that's a good description. NO worries about rust!
John
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Just bought a Turkish SDS AR T-02. Not a hint of rust anywhere.
Fine Figure of a Man
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Don't hold your breath.
I got a Wingmaster in 1980, still have it. Functionally it has always been flawless. The fit and finish of the wood is terrible. Misaligned stock, pressed checkering, low grade walnut. I refinished the stock and forearm after a couple years and the factory finish failing.
Of course in 1980 the Wingmaster was not a high dollar gun. After the Express models were introduced the Wingmasters I saw were much nicer, and more expensive.
Agreed, cheap guns usually look like cheap guns. Be satisfied if they function well.
rbernie
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This excuse might work for a lot of the issues (e.g. wood fitment), but there's no measurable cost savings in failing to spray a preservative on 'em before wrapping them up.
That there is just lack of care - not lack of cost margin.
entropy
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Proud? That's birch, with an ugly staining in a poor color choice. The wood to metal fitting is inexcusable, unless Ruger's idea is to devalue the Remington name even further than it did to itself leading up to the breakup. It seems that is what Federal is attempting, although the STS shotguns shells I bought last night at work look like Remington production, the box says "Remington Arms Co., LLC" and has the Lonoke address. They have Remington primers, not Federal. I'll have to try a box on the 16 at the next Jackpot shoot.
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I’m sure Remington can build a better product for the same money but I wonder how much the bean counters prevent that. Over years I think the customer has been conditioned to except less.
By proud, I mean not blended with the metal. Old machinist term. Not complimentary.
Just to be clear, Ruger has nothing to do with the production of the new Remington Arms Co. 870 shotguns. Ruger bought the IP and property for Marlin, not Remington.
entropy
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Glad we won't be seeing investment cast 870's. 
Glad we won't be seeing investment cast 870's.
You will not see investment cast Marlins either as the CEO has specifically stated numerous times that the Marlins will used forged billet receivers machined to form as always.
Why does it seem often that nearly everyone is determined to dismiss every effort made. If only old guns will do, then buy only old guns. Both Marlin and Remington were more than adept and building crap guns long before their more recent woes.
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