Charliefrank
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Probably won't be long until someone offers a drum magazine. Still, I'll stick to my tube fed.
New remington shotgun?
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mcb
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Imagine a magazine-fed Tac-14 with pistol brass instead of the pistol grip. Now that might be interesting and fun!
It isn't something I'd be interested in buying. But tube magazine shotguns with more than the standard 4 rounds in the tube are just too muzzle heavy for me. While this doesn't hold any more rounds the weight will be between the hands and I'd think it will balance better.
Panzerschwein
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A heavy barrel 20" Mossberg 9 shot M590A1 loaded and with a bayonet on the end, and a sling, is heavy.
But, I've found most 6 shots to balance nicely.
If1HitU
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Thanks for sharing the link,I'd like to own a Remington 870 with a the Magazine.
Old Shooter
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It might be nice if you could use that under-barrel tube magazine. Maybe a mag cutoff so when the box mag goes dry you could flip a switch and continue on feeding from the tube. THAT should call up all the tactical types and zombie hunters.
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Another writeup on the new gun: https://www.shootingillustrated.com...wsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=1217
Isn't there risk of shell deformation and resulting feeding problems when plastic shot shells are kept in a detachable box magazine for an extended period of time?
Combined with the loss of the ability to top off a file magazine, and I'm not sure those upsides outweigh the downsides.
expat_alaska
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Might be OK for a neighborhood war, but I would dread having to hump that around.
Panzerschwein
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Yet another reason this will be an utter failure for the Remington company. That and the obvious needed recalls that are soon to be issued a few weeks/months after the mass beta testers gun them in their hands.
I myself am very unhappy with the new Remington shotgun offerings. I wish they would enhance their production and QA before they go about new guns. We may be watching the demise of one of the finest American gun manufacturers.
kBob
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Hmm, the good things about a pump with a tube feed are the ability to top off after each shot and the ability to change ammo type for a single shot such as Buck to slug or slug to buck or whatever to breach etc.
And with a removable magazine?
Speaking of removable mags saw a Siaga like AK shotgun with a removable mag at a local show yester day.....and it was left handed.
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And with a removable magazine?
Speaking of removable mags saw a Siaga like AK shotgun with a removable mag at a local show yester day.....and it was left handed.
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Wis-Harpo
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I guess I am of an age that blued steel and nice wood still dominates my safe. I only have one shotgun with a synthetic ( I say plastic ) stock and forearm . It is an 870 Express from 1995. I bought it for turkey and duck hunting. It is the only 3 inch chamber shotgun I own. Now that I don't duck or turkey hunt, it is in the back of my safe. It was a practical shotgun, but with no beauty or character. I prefer my 870 Wingmaster from 1975, and 2- 1100 semi-auto's from 1983 and 1995. I am also not a fan of all the AR style weapons ( I say plastic --- again), there goes the age thing.
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I find that I am warming to the idea. One of the great things about a pump gun is that you can have it ready to go in "cruiser carry" with an empty chamber, the gun is inert, but it is only a moment away from firing if need be. Grab it, ca-chunk it and you are ready to go.
Changing the feed system to detachable box takes nothing away from this and adds the option to remove the box--clear the chamber--and instantly the gun is visually confirmable as all the way unloaded.
Partial reloads are accomplished by changing the magazine for a full one, retaining the partly spent magazine for future reference.
The 'select slug' rigmarole is more complicated but the usefulness of that drill is over-rated anyway. Simply carry a spare magazine loaded with slugs and you are more than good to go.
Changing the feed system to detachable box takes nothing away from this and adds the option to remove the box--clear the chamber--and instantly the gun is visually confirmable as all the way unloaded.
Partial reloads are accomplished by changing the magazine for a full one, retaining the partly spent magazine for future reference.
The 'select slug' rigmarole is more complicated but the usefulness of that drill is over-rated anyway. Simply carry a spare magazine loaded with slugs and you are more than good to go.
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I hope Mossberg is working on a version of this. Nothing against the Remington, it is a great shotgun and smoother working than the Mossberg. However, I narrowly prefer the Mossberg for its dual extractors and its ejector that can be replaced in minutes by anyone.
Come to that, I've never had any trouble with the 870's extractor or ejector, so this may be excessive concern over small details...
Come to that, I've never had any trouble with the 870's extractor or ejector, so this may be excessive concern over small details...
Anything Remington produce i want it to function well and sell well, i like Remington through and through, but i must say this gun has me a stone cold about the whole idea.
WHY! Would you need such a gun.?
If you think about bolt guns a poor magazine design or even something as basic as flimsy lips can turn an otherwise good gun into a nightmare jamer .
Box mags with square fronted shot shells are never slick, OK! i will accept good bolt design can control shot shells into the chamber acceptably but a tube mag as a much easier time of feeding out shotgun rounds than a box mag in my opinion.
Even if we give Remington the benefit if making a good box mag design, WHY ! would you need one.?
Law Enforcement swapping tear gas to slugs instantly perhaps, but the general public hunting and home defence it just seems a possible area of unnecessary complication and for no discernible advantage i can imagine and that is regardless of the scenario.
Ass for rate of fire advantages i do not see it, a tube mag if you do not fire the last round in a semi auto or pump shotgun can be fed two in the mag fast and reliable and get some rounds down range.
Load three or more or shoot the last chambered round and you slow down.
Any speed feed style mechanism or Remington 1100 1187 with the release catch on the bottom ramp will feeding it in the mag two at a time will take some beating from prolonged constant rate of fire point of view.
WHY! Would you need such a gun.?
If you think about bolt guns a poor magazine design or even something as basic as flimsy lips can turn an otherwise good gun into a nightmare jamer .
Box mags with square fronted shot shells are never slick, OK! i will accept good bolt design can control shot shells into the chamber acceptably but a tube mag as a much easier time of feeding out shotgun rounds than a box mag in my opinion.
Even if we give Remington the benefit if making a good box mag design, WHY ! would you need one.?
Law Enforcement swapping tear gas to slugs instantly perhaps, but the general public hunting and home defence it just seems a possible area of unnecessary complication and for no discernible advantage i can imagine and that is regardless of the scenario.
Ass for rate of fire advantages i do not see it, a tube mag if you do not fire the last round in a semi auto or pump shotgun can be fed two in the mag fast and reliable and get some rounds down range.
Load three or more or shoot the last chambered round and you slow down.
Any speed feed style mechanism or Remington 1100 1187 with the release catch on the bottom ramp will feeding it in the mag two at a time will take some beating from prolonged constant rate of fire point of view.
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