New Sig P365 Failure

[Jeb Stuart]

It is a shooters duty to take the firearm he or she will carry and YOU test it through a substantial amount of ammo. Shoot various brands, weights, defense loads etc. Personally I shoot mine 2500 rounds before I carry. (Which I just did and Proved to myself, to be totally reliable.) Do not rely on any manufacturer to do your work. I also shoot my CCW guns each and every week, sometimes more. Become one with the gun. Frequent moderate training. Learn Point and shoot skills.

 

[Walkalong]

Yes, go shoot it. Some folks buy them, run half a box of shells through them and put it away or start carrying it without shooting it.

I suspect that 95% of THR members do not fall into that category though. We like guns, like to shoot guns, and are more serious about them than the average Joe, which is why we are here.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I'm sorry about your experience, but I'm actually fairly reassured by this thread. The failure was rapidly identified and the cause is clear- an error in the initial assembly of your gun. Any gun design sent out missing a similar part would have similar problems, so the solution is just as clear as the problem. It's when there's nebulous, hard-to-track-down problems without easy or obvious fixes in a new design that I get really worried.

The firing pin drag and peening issues are more worrisome, but not a ton to me.

 

[scaatylobo]

Dumb small gun fanboy?

Cute,but the gun that usually is on my side is a G-23.

Just for past 2 days have I actually left the house with only the P365 on [ and spare mags of course].

But yes I am a HUGE fan of the smaller guns as BUG's !!.

 

[JR24]

Cute,but the gun that usually is on my side is a G-23.

Just for past 2 days have I actually left the house with only the P365 on [ and spare mags of course].

But yes I am a HUGE fan of the smaller guns as BUG's !!.

Hey, I tried.

 

[Doublehelix]

Yes, go shoot it.

WHAT???? We're supposed to shoot them??? Hehe...

Nobody told me!!!

I am also one that shoots the heck out of his EDC, which for me is a SIG P938 (which BTW needed a new MSH right after purchase).

This is the gun that I carry daily to protect myself and my loved ones. Never take a chance. Ever.

 

[Walkalong]

Nobody told me!!!

Well now you know.

one that shoots the heck out of his EDC

I shoot them, but I don't shoot the snot out of them.

 

[Doublehelix]

I shoot them, but I don't shoot the snot out of them.

I try to get both of my mags down range at least once a month, and when I go to the range with my daughter, she like to shoot the P938 because it fits her hand better, even though the smaller gun has more perceived recoil than some of the softer-shooting larger guns.

 

[Wanderling]

All parts are going into guns they can sell.
A replacement part is one less gun.

Apparently not into all guns, though...

 

[Walkalong]

Heh.....

Easily fixed though.

 

[TomJ]

I'm holding off purchasing one until some of these bugs are worked out, but I'll tip my hat to Sig. It's manufacturers pushing themselves, sometimes sucessfully and sometimes not, that drives innovation. Sig could have came out with their version of yet another subcompact single stack 9, but raised the bar for the industry with the P365. It's the first generation of a new design. I wish there were no bugs, but I expected that, and shipping guns with missing parts is obviously a concern, but I think they'll get this right and have a winner on their hands.

 

[TomJ]

So much for holding off. I was in a LGS today filling out the paperwork for a CZ Phantom I bought through a Gunbroker bid when they mentioned they had a P365. I loved everything about it and wound up buying it. After seeing it in person and dry firing it I understand why they're selling the way they are.

 

[SharpDog]

I LOVE MY SIGS!!!! I REALLY WANT A p365!!!

That said, I'm with you guys ^^^ (well, not YOU, @TomJ ) I'm waiting until probably after next SHOT show.

Two things will happen:

1. The p365 will be much better and possibly available in a couple of more variations
2. Other Mfgs. will introduce competition and competition is good

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I LOVE MY SIGS!!!! I REALLY WANT A p365!!!

That said, I'm with you guys ^^^ (well, not YOU, @TomJ ) I'm waiting until probably after next SHOT show.

Two things will happen:

1. The p365 will be much better and possibly available in a couple of more variations
2. Other Mfgs. will introduce competition and competition is good

Oh man I really want a midsize pistol based on the P365. 4" barrel with 15 rounds.

... but I doubt they'll ever make one, because if they did, I'd replace my... P320.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Oh man I really want a midsize pistol based on the P365. 4" barrel with 15 rounds.

... but I doubt they'll ever make one, because if they did, I'd replace my... P320.

Interesting that you mention this.There are rumors that Sig is going to introduce a new Pocket Pistol to replace the 238. It will actually be smaller and hold 15 rounds of 380.

 

[Walkalong]

That would be interesting.

 

[jdmb03]

Should I buy one for $700 on auction? I think not. I've read about many issues with the 365. Taran Butler had one and the front sight almost slide out after firing. Taran said, well, it is an early gun. How do you screw up a dovetail sight?

 

[jdmb03]

Funny you bring that up. The Sig 320 and 365 bashing going on now, reminds me so well of the same when Ruger came out with the Ruger American. Nice gun that got the heck bashed out of it. What a shame.
That said, I can understand what Nightlord40 k means by the recent mass market guns. I feel the same way with Ruger's latest entry's. Not the tank builds of the past.

The P320 could fire when dropped. That seems like a legit reason to bash a gun company. And they only made it a voluntary recall.

 

[someguy2800]

Interesting that you mention this.There are rumors that Sig is going to introduce a new Pocket Pistol to replace the 238. It will actually be smaller and hold 15 rounds of 380.

I don't see how 15 rounds is possible but a micro double stack 380 would be neat. That much just convince me to get another 380, which I swore off due to how much of a burden they are to reload for.

 

[JR24]

Should I buy one for $700 on auction? I think not. I've read about many issues with the 365. Taran Butler had one and the front sight almost slide out after firing. Taran said, well, it is an early gun. How do you screw up a dovetail sight?

No way. Just wait a while and you'll find them for much less. Mine was $499.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

The P320 could fire when dropped. That seems like a legit reason to bash a gun company. And they only made it a voluntary recall.

Yea, they should have made it a MANDATORY RECALL. And any one not sending it in, would have the Sig Police storming through doors at 3am by God!

 

[jdmb03]

Yea, they should have made it a MANDATORY RECALL. And any one not sending it in, would have the Sig Police storming through doors at 3am by God!

It's amusing until someone is injured. Dealers are still selling unmodified guns. These guns should have been returned for repair.

 

[paulsj]

It's amusing until someone is injured. Dealers are still selling unmodified guns. These guns should have been returned for repair.

While Sig Sauer doesn't do anything for me the drop & discharge was not that serious because the gun had to land certain way on hard surface to go bang. Even kids can figure out that piece of plastic should not be dropped onto hard surface.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Part of the responsibility of any firearm owner is gun safety. And it extends to more than just pointing the gun in a safe direction. And paying attention to safety recalls is part of that responsibility. New run guns have had safety recalls for as long as I can remember. Lol, Ruger had one not too long ago on a new gun they had put out. I would bet Sig did a thousand drop test, and yes there was one particular drop that landed a certain way that caused a failure. The odds of duplicating that failure are most likely very small. Regardless, it is a first run gun, it happens and of course it gives the basher's more fodder to launch attacks. Just send the gun in and get it fixed. By the way safety recall happen to virtually every manufacturer out there. Cars, to baby strollers.

Mark IV™ Pistol Product Safety Warning and Recall Notice Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IV™ pistols (including 22/45™ models) manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. View Recall Notice
LCP® Product Safety Warning and Recall Notice Ruger has recently received a small number of reports from the field indicating that LCP pistols can discharge when dropped onto a hard surface with a round in the chamber. View Recall Notice

SR9® Product Safety Warning and Recall Notice We have determined that some Ruger SR9 pistols manufactured between October 2007 and April 2008 can, under certain conditions, fire if dropped with their manual safeties in the "off" or "fire" position. The pistols will not fire if the manual safety is in the "on" or "safe" position. View Recall Notice

Ruger P85 9mm Pistol It is possible for certain Ruger® P85™ 9mm pistols manufactured between 1987 and 1990 to accidentally discharge when the safety/decocker lever is engaged, if the firing pin is broken in a particular way. View Recall Notice

 

[340PD]

So much for holding off. I was in a LGS today filling out the paperwork for a CZ Phantom I bought through a Gunbroker bid when they mentioned they had a P365. I loved everything about it and wound up buying it. After seeing it in person and dry firing it I understand why they're selling the way they are.

Glad you bought it. I have owned and carried one since Mid March. I shoot it at least once per week and carry it daily. It is one of few guns I own that I can shoot at 75' offhand and get good results. As soon as those waiting in line get theirs, I will be buying a second one. Just because.