Range Report: Sig P365
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The SIG P938 is a 9mm gun. You are thinking of the P238 which is the .380 version.
I carry Federal HST 147 gr. +P round in her.
I agree with you on the .380. I am sure they are fine, but I have never felt comfortable either with the .380.
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And a huge difference in weight as well. Especially for summer. I have no problem with the 380. A tool for what it is. I like the PrecisionOne plus P in both the 380 and 9mm. I also like the ARX ammo in 9mm plus P. Hopefully we can see more results with ammo from the P365 down the road. The ARX Plus P from what I have shot is actually a mild shooting round and the ballistics seem on the right side. One thing about PrecisioOne is the fact that I always get great accuracy out of their ammo no matter what gun I shoot. But of course accuracy is up to the individual shooter. That said, if one is to carry a 9mm during the summer the Sig 365 and a few others are much better suited for it. The Sig has a nice compact size to it. Especially the OAL.
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We think alike. I love my XDs, too, but 11 or (gasp!) 13 rounds as opposed to 6! While I also love the 230-gr HST, I'm also aware that (1) there's no such thing as a sure 1-shot stop, (2) I'm less able to tolerate recoil as I age, and (3) there is an increasing likelihood of facing multiple threats in today's world. Yeah, I'll almost certainly go with the P365 for EDC once I become more familiar with it and mount a laser on it.
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Growing up with six or seven rounds (1911/revolver,) and feeling well armed, the P-365 with 10+1 rounds of 9MM with the latest JHPs feels like an ammo dump. And 12+1? I might swoon.
I thing the biggest highlighted feature of the New P365 is not so much the gun, but the magazine. Sig say's they "Built the gun around the Magazine". The gun compared to other guns in the same class can be debated to death. (Could someone with a Sig and a scale weigh the gun with a ten round magazine and one in the chamber?)
I understand that there are many that are excited about a higher round count in a small gun. But not sure all the general public or shooters actually think that having two or three rounds more is that necessary. Is this going to be a big game changer for all manufacturers. Does this end the life of all single stack 9mm's? Is it possible that engineers could actually develop a magazine around a gun? I have a Ruger SR9C that has the capability of CCW's with a 17 round magazine. Yes, a little more weight, but hey, that is a lot of rounds and a lot better shooting. The economy Ruger LC9E has a available 9 round magazine.
It will be interesting to see where all this goes. Maybe it will be a game changer, maybe not. The world of guns and Marketing are interesting in that regards alone. I actually find that aspect more interesting than the gun itself. Could this be the new evolution of guns? Or merely a fad?
Maybe it is the magazine engineers that should be paying attention? Think about the Possibilities, a double stack for all single stack guns. I can hear the cash register jingling now.
This has been a very interesting thread for sure.
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Ask and ye shall receive: Sig P365 with 11 rounds of 124-gr Sig JHPs -- 23.17 oz. FWIW, my fully loaded XDs weighs 26.91 oz (albeit with a CT Green Laser).
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Ask and ye shall receive: Sig P365 with 11 rounds of 124-gr Sig JHPs -- 23.17 oz. FWIW, my fully loaded XDs weighs 26.91 oz (albeit with a CT Green Laser).
Thank you. And if you do not mind, could you also weight the receiver, with recoil spring, guide rod and barrel.
Thanks
And just for comparison sake, here is one gun weighed fully loaded. I will weigh more later.
380 pocket gun 7 rounds
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Agreed, I was quite happy with seven rounds for decades, but saying that, 10+1 rounds of quality 9MM ammo in such a small package is very appealing.
If I take my box with my XDm OSP with three spare mags plus one in the gun on a road trip I have no excuse not to shoot my way out of anything unless I am not capable or it was hopeless to begin with.
Fact is though, most gunfights use way less that 10 or 11 rounds. Still 10+1 in this package is appealing, even to old farts like me who never stressed mag capacity over the years, but instead focused on situational awareness, and the mindset (Willingness to start with) and ability to put a round or two where needed under stress without hesitation which will get you killed.
I am a 1911 lover (Fanatic?), who started shooting them almost 45 years ago (First handgun was a Remington Rand), but I do love this little P-365.
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Sure, no problem. Upper assembly: 12.06 oz. Slide assembly (minus barrel & recoil springs/guide rod): 8.99 oz.
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Agreed, I was quite happy with seven rounds for decades, but saying that, 10+1 rounds of quality 9MM ammo in such a small package is very appealing.
If I take my box with my XDm OSP with three spare mags plus one in the gun on a road trip I have no excuse not to shoot my way out of anything unless I am not capable or it was hopeless to begin with.
Fact is though, most gunfights use way less that 10 or 11 rounds. Still 10+1 in this package is appealing, even to old farts like me who never stressed mag capacity over the years, but instead focused on situational awareness, and the mindset (Willingness to start with) and ability to put a round or two where needed under stress without hesitation which will get you killed.
I am a 1911 lover (Fanatic?), who started shooting them almost 45 years ago (First handgun was a Remington Rand), but I do love this little P-365.
I can see why you love it. It is a might fine gun.
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I'm calling mine good to go. I put another 100 rounds through it today, loading and firing as fast as I could, trying to induce a malfunction. It ran perfectly. I have 500 rounds through it with the only malfunctions being failing to go into battery 3 times yesterday because I was riding the slide, something Sig tells you not to do in bold print in the instruction manual. I normally shoot at a steel target at our gun club but an injury limits how much weight I can lift for now, so I was shooting at milk cartons. I was hitting them consistently from 25 yards and was happy with the accuracy.
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I think this is something that we observed the other day shooting the gun.
malfunctions being failing to go into battery 3 times yesterday because I was riding the slide/something Sig tells you not to do in bold print in the instruction manual. Interesting that Sig put this in bold print.
Can someone tell me what kind of metal the Chassis/sub chassis is made of? Stainless steel, Carbon Steel, Aluminum?
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Interesting info here. Looks like sig has started shipping a revised firing pin design and trigger bar spring. I was hoping they would put a rectangular firing pin nose on it like a Glock, but if this seams to quell the reports of breakage I will be getting one.
https://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p365-...w-p365-striker-pin-design.html#/topics/318822
https://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-p365-...w-p365-striker-pin-design.html#/topics/318822
I ran another 50 or 60 rds through mine yesterday. So I'm up to 210+ rds , ALL without issue. Going to shoot/crono some carry ammo next few days and call it GTG.
My take on the 365 and all of these micro nines is; they have put the 9mm into the smallest package they can. A package that is taking a beating with each shot. I consider my 365 the same way I do an S&W J frame; Built to be carried a lot...Shot a little.
I don't think these guys are DESIGNED to be shot tens of thousands of rds. Run three or four hundred rds through the gun and call it good.
My take on the 365 and all of these micro nines is; they have put the 9mm into the smallest package they can. A package that is taking a beating with each shot. I consider my 365 the same way I do an S&W J frame; Built to be carried a lot...Shot a little.
I don't think these guys are DESIGNED to be shot tens of thousands of rds. Run three or four hundred rds through the gun and call it good.
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I Can't speak for the Sig. Really do not know what the build quality is. However, I would totally disagree that your CCW gun no matter what it is should be shot little. On the contrary, I shoot mine a frequently. Each week. This is your life your are talking about. One reason why you choose your firearm wisely. To train often a diligently. I only CCW guns that I know are built like a tank and will handle a lot of ammo down range. (And I am talking about sub-compact guns) Small guns do take a beating. And some are frankly made cheaper with Aluminum sub chassis, cheaper steel etc.
Hopefully, if the Beast does raise his head, Pray that he trains less than you do.
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For you guy's that do not know what metals are used for the Sig, here you go. I would say based on this, you have a high quality gun meant for a lot of ammo down range.
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Thanks for that info. For me it's not a range gun through which I'll continue to put hundreds of rounds every time out, but being a carry gun I want to be able to shoot it often enough to stay proficient with it. For $600 (the gun plus two 12 round magazines) I expect to be able to shoot it often.
So HOW MUCH should we shoot our CCW guns? Thousand rds a week? At least a hundred a DAY? Good Lord, handling a firearm isn't rocket science. You train, you build muscle memory, You practice enough to be competent. You then hone those skills when You can.
A single magazine down range with good form and accuracy is more important than hundreds of rds willy-nilly downrange. And the LATTER is a lot of what I see.
"I put 200 rds downrange today, so I'm all trained up". Quantity over QUALITY.
I carried a M-60 for years as a back up on duty. Shot it maybe 3 times a year at Quals or Range days. I have tens of thousands of rds downrange in various S&W revolvers...Should I need to fire it, I will remember how. I have thousands of rds downrange in SIG 229's, the 365 is similar. Same deal.
Train as You wish. I will do the same.
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Shooting is a perishable skill. Nothing is rocket science. Not a Basket Ball, baseball, golf ball, running. It is your life, you decide what you want to do.
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This gun sure has people polarized on this topic. There is a local forum that I participate in as well, and it is amazing how hostile the responses can get around the P365.
We are all on the same team here guys.
We are all on the same team here guys.
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Ain't that the truth. Facebook is a disgusting place now, and the things people say and call each other on topics like this astounds me.
Some people invest ego into their equipment. They want other's choices to reinforce their own. They want validation.
If they don't get what they want, they get crotchety. It's a real bummer.
I agree with this assessment as to the P365, at least as of this point in time. That was my take on the P938 as well, which was replaced after the second trip to Sig, but before they did the rolling upgrade to the mainspring housing. That does not meet my needs, though. I hardly shoot any guns besides carry guns. I shoot them at the range and I also shoot them in local IDPA matches. I got rid of the P938 when the Glock 43 came out. The 43 can take thousands of rounds per year. It appears that Glock designed it with durability in mind over higher capacity or smaller dimensions. Until someone perfects a smaller or higher capacity mini-9mm that can be shot a lot, I am standing pat and relying on the skills I maintain by shooting my lower capacity gun more frequently than a gun that has to be coddled.
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