Range Report: Sig P365

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7 yards is what I always start off with in a new gun. The idea is just get use to handling the gun, the feel of the grip, the new sights etc. As I said, I will shoot for a goal of 2500 rounds in the next sessions of about a month. Shooting all kinds of mixed ammo and different bullet weights. I also like to shoot hot ammo and Plus P ammo. Slower move out to 10yds, 15 20 etc. You did a great first review Hypnagator. Sounds like you have a great gun. Keep up with the break in. Looking forward to more of your range reports.
 
7 yards is what I always start off with in a new gun. The idea is just get use to handling the gun, the feel of the grip, the new sights etc. As I said, I will shoot for a goal of 2500 rounds in the next sessions of about a month. Shooting all kinds of mixed ammo and different bullet weights. I also like to shoot hot ammo and Plus P ammo. Slower move out to 10yds, 15 20 etc. You did a great first review Hypnagator. Sounds like you have a great gun. Keep up with the break in. Looking forward to more of your range reports.

Hypnagtor please continue. One pistol that I am very familiar with is the Ruger LC9 and LC9s. I have been shooting them for years. They are nice pistols, but very snappy/muzzle flip. I have heard the 365 is on the snappy side as well. Did you notice this? Maybe someone that has both guns can do a comparison.
 
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I have heard the 365 is on the snappy side as well.
This is very subjective of course, but I don't find it "snappy" for its size/weight. I had a XD subcompact .40 that was really snappy, despite being much bigger. I have never shot an LC9 or LC9s.

Hopefully they fixed it
I would certainly hope so, and imagine they did, looking forward to your updated that thread.
 
This is very subjective of course, but I don't find it "snappy" for its size/weight. I had a XD subcompact .40 that was really snappy, despite being much bigger. I have never shot an LC9 or LC9s.


I would certainly hope so, and imagine they did, looking forward to your updated that thread.

While recoil may be subjective, it can also be measured or calculated. Muzzle flip can be obvious as noted with the LC9s. I recently ran two of my Subcompact guns, side by side. I shot 100 rounds of mixed ammo through one gun and then the Next. And then repeat. Then ran 25 rounds of Plus P ammo from each gun. Both guns were similar in weight. One gun did have a shorter barrel and OAL, My observation were felt immediately. And Ironically the gun with the shorter OAL had a dramatic difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. Surprisingly LOWER.
(I do not think it was subjective. Others that shot the gun all commented the same.
Toward the end of shooting all these rounds, the gun with the longer OAL actually caused me discomfort. The other gun I could have gone on shooting all day long. The gun that caused the pain, I did want to shoot any longer. So why did one gun actually shoot so much more mild. My guess is the build quality and difference in weight of the receiver.
I do notice that Genitron has the recoil factor similar to the gun that ran so mild. Actually the size and weight are similar. I have a range buddy that does own a 365 and we plan on meeting soon to conduct the same test. I will report when this is completed. It should be interesting. It is my belief that any gun you carry should be one that you can a few hundred rounds (or more) down range and totally enjoy. And of course you want one built to handle Plus P. This includes Pocket Pistols as well.

On another note. I see the return time on the repair of Jackal's gun was about two weeks. Not bad customer service for a gun that the internet deemed thousands of problems with. They must really be working overtime.
 
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Recoil can be measured, and muzzle flip is easy to see, but the way recoil feels to people is fairly subjective, as shown by the discussions here where people often disagree.

I disliked the recoil/muzzle flip in an aluminum framed 5" 1911 I had but like it in an aluminum framed 3" 1911 I still have. Slide weight vs velocity vs weight of the frame in your hand etc etc.

Most of what I read people think the P-365 is "soft" etc, or basically they find it very agreeable for the size/weight. I know I do.
Hypnogator

Very nice range report; informative and well organized in it's format. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, thanks.
 
7 yards is what I always start off with in a new gun. The idea is just get use to handling the gun, the feel of the grip, the new sights etc.
Exactly. Ran the first 3 magazines with standard grip. Changed up to a "loose" grip, even firing the weapon holding it only with my thumb and trigger finger. Functioned perfectly, as it should. Gun manufacturers are quick to blame shooters for "limp-wristing" which they claim is responsible for malfunctions, but any autoloader that won't function if held loosely by a fatigued, possibly injured shooter is, IMHO, a faulty design.

As for the "snappiness" of the recoil, it's only a little snappier than my XDs, which is more of a prolonged push than a sharp kick. You definitely know when the P365 goes off, but with 115-gr loads it isn't unpleasant to shoot. My go-to defensive ammo in 9mm is the 124-gr Federal HST, which I didn't test this time. The equivalent Sig loads were noticeably heavier in recoil, but not really snappy. Just felt more (for want of a better word) solid than the 115-gr stuff.

The P365 has a pretty low bore axis, so there's a minimum of muzzle flip. Less so than with my XDs or XDm. Before I went to the XDs, I carried a Walther PPS in .40 S&W. Recoil on that weapon was very snappish, bordering on punishing with 180-gr loads. I've never fired an LC9, but I briefly owned a Kel-Tec PF9 which, IIRC, had quite a bit more muzzle flip than the P365. Never could get it to feed two magazines without jamming, though. Two return trips to Kel-Tec, gave up in disgust when they said there was nothing wrong with it, that I must be limp-wristing it. Perhaps I'll start a thread about the evolution of my carry weapons some day. ;)
 
Take five people and they all shoot the same gun. All five have 5 different views on the recoil of the gun. Some say mild, some say harsh, some say in between. Then all 5 shoot a similar almost identical gun in size and weight and all 5 say that gun is much milder. Is that subjective are could the gun all agree on as mild actually be a milder shooting gun?
I do think the Sig may very well be a milder shooting gun than some other guns in it's class. IMO the gun being of stainless steel vs aluminum chassis would be a contributing factor. The heavier weight of both the receiver and Sub chassis would seem to have to use the law of physics, which would make one gun more mild to shoot. JMHO

And by the way, I do not agree that a gun with a higher bore axis is going to recoil or snap more. At least that is not what I have seen. It all depends on the physics of other parts of the guns receiver weight etc.Besides, I do not want a low bore axis gun. Just my preference. I have one and do not like it at all. But that is as I just said "Personal Preference"
I have seen people limp wrist many guns over the years. I have actually taken the same gun and shot it, when they blamed the gun and I could shoot it fine and it would run fine. Maybe there are guns that you can limp wrist with no concerns. I have not seen one, but will take your word that the Sig can be shot with and totally limp wristing proof.

Thanks for the review.
 
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I have had only two guns where I thought the felt recoil/muzzle flip was excessive or bothersome. One was an Astra Model 600 and to this day I must contend that straight blowback in a 9mm. is definitely not a good idea! The other was a Kahr CW40 that while I did like the overall design and ergonomics of the gun, I found the recoil/muzzle flip to be rather "snappy" and distracting.

As to bore axis I still am amazed that as high of a bore axis that my Browning BDA .45 (a.k.a. SIG P220), had, it was one of the softest shooting .45s I have ever shot, including countless 1911s and a HK P9S
 
accurate so far up to 7 yds.
Mine shot very well at the 40/45 yard berm as well. I always test handguns there to see, assuming they showed well at 7 yards when getting numbers.

My first time out with the P-365 was closer to 10 than 7 yards, but consisted of the same thing, lots of shooting with one hand (Left and right), two hands, different types of ammo, mixed mags of ammo, etc. 10 +0, 10+1....

Then I played with it at the longer berm. I was very pleased with the hit-ability of it at that distance.

I did shoot my carry ammo, which is the non +P 124 Gr HST, and it was not bad at all in the recoil/follow up shot departments. It shoots softer than it looks like it should.
 
I shoot 147-gr. standard pressure HST in mine. I think it recoils less than the Shield, which was itself a pretty mild shooter for its size. It's as close to a perfect subcompact carry as I could ask for. Hopefully the design works long term.
 
I just got back from the range. I put 400 rounds through mine, 300 115 grain RN, 50 124 grain HST and another 50 147 grain HST. I had no malfunctions of any kind while firing it. It failed to go into battery 3 times in the first 10 magazine changes, but I noticed I was riding the slide. I stopped riding it and had no other issues. The recoil was not bad at all and accuracy was good. My Shield 2.0 is more accurate, but all 400 rounds from the Sig were in center mass at 21 feet with me firing as fast as I could without getting kicked out of the indoor range I was at. My only negative is how hot the bottom of the slide was. By the 400th round it was too hot to touch. I've never experienced that before. I did check the spent brass and noticed nothing unusual in regards to the firing pin dragging on the primer. There was a little drag, but nothing you'd notice if you weren't looking for it.

Mine was manufactured early this month and was part of the third generation or batch, or whatever you want to call it. It's my first day shooting it, but based on what the owner at my LGS told me in regards to Sig addressing their early problems and what I see with mine I'm confident carrying it.
 
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The poll I referred to is not mine. I did not set it up, nor did I monitor it. The individual who did so put a considerable amount of work into it, and in my opinion, deserves thanks for doing so. The poll is actually ongoing and the individual who set it up continues to update the results every couple of days. But the number of responders has dropped off so it may pretty well have run its course by now.

The poll is open to all SIG P365 owners. Those who responded to it have pistols that were manufactured anywhere from January of this year to June so it includes several "generations". I would not be inclined to apply the term "generations" to the P365 since SIG has made many "rolling changes" during the introduction of this pistol, and continues to do so. As for how many guns, first run or otherwise, SIG has "corrected", all that can be said is that 51 of 178 respondents found a need to return their pistol to SIG for some type of problem. Two of the pistols that were returned for critical failures that were returned to SIG could hardly be considered to have been "corrected" since the suffered the exact same failure after the "repair".

I own 5 SIGs so I am hardly a SIG basher. I have been interested in the P365 since its introduction so I have been following the owner experience pretty closely since then. Some of the early issues seem to be reported infrequently recently so perhaps these were corrected. These included sights that moved or fell off, which seems to have been fixed by SIG installing X ray sights on the pistols, and severe barrel peening and extraction/ejection failures, which seems to have been improved by a complete redesign of the recoil spring assembly.

As for the broken striker issue, SIG has apparently "fessed up" that a large batch of pistols produced from February through April of this year had MIM strikers that were manufactured in India that may have been out of spec predisposing to failure. But they have not widely disseminated this information nor issued a recall on those pistols nor even a "voluntary upgrade". Some have noticed some difference in how the tails of the trigger bar springs are being trimmed on more recently manufactured pistols. But in the poll mentioned, two pistols produced in the second half of May suffered critical failures, one a broken striker and one a dead trigger, so I am not convinced that SIG has yet corrected these issues completely.

I am also a Sig 'fanboy' and I'm waiting a year until after SHOT 2019. I'm certain that Sig will address all issues by that time and the lemons will work their way out of the system. I also hope there will be more configurations and I PRAY they will release one with internal phosphate coating ... HEAR THAT SIG ? P365 with INTERNAL PHOSPHATE COATING PLEASE ;)
 
I just got back from the range. I put 400 rouds through mine, 300 115 grain RN, 50 124 grain HST and another 50 147 grain HST. I had no malfunctions of any kind while firing it. It failed to go into battery 3 times in the first 10 magazine changes, but I noticed I was riding the slide. I stopped riding it and had no other issues. The recoil was not bad at all and accuracy was good. My Shield 2.0 is more accurate, but all 400 rounds from the Sig were in center mass at 21 feet with me firing as fast as I could without getting kicked out of the indoor range I was at. My only negative is how hot the bottom of the slide was. By the 400th round it was too hot to touch. I've never experienced that before. I did check the spent brass and noticed nothing unusual in regards to the firing pin dragging on the primer. There was a little drag, but nothing you'd notice if you weren't looking for it.

Mine was manufactured early this month and was part of the third generation or batch, or whatever you want to call it. It's my first day shooting it, but based on what the owner at my LGS told me in regards to Sig addressing their early problems and what I see with mine I'm confident carrying it.

Well, the club I belong to finally met yesterday and a member brought along his Late model Sig to compare with other members Micro 9mm's. We shot quite a bit of ammo. Mostly steel targets and one paper target set at 7 yds. All the shooter's were very active members who shoot frequently with a lot of experience. . Overall assessment seemed to be that the Sig is a nice shooter, but over hyped as far as handling and general performance. Every one in the group did well at the 7 yd paper target. But a common feeling was that the gun was a mild shooter but a little snappy to very snappy. Of course this would go from members shooting predominantly their own primary weapons. The snappiness would be more evident the more you shot it. If you are not doing extended range sessions it should not be a big factor. My self and another member felt it shot very similar to a Ruger LC9S but with a little less recoil and not quite as snappy as the Ruger. Most felt the gun did very well at close range, but less than stellar performance at longer ranges (15-20yds) compared to some of the other guns. (but remember, these are close combat range guns anyway)
Reliability was excellent. We shot approx a thousand rounds of mixed ammo and only had 4 failures and those we felt were user error. We believe that came from possibly riding the slide stop. You have to be aware of how close your thumb is positioned near the receiver. Mine would ride slightly on it no matter what I did, however it did not seem to be enough to effect the shooting. I doubt I could wear gloves and shoot the Sig.
Everyone liked the sights, the trigger, and loading the mags was very easy to do without a upula etc. The mags themselves did not look like very good quality but they functioned fine.(I did have some concern that they would hold up for a extended amount of time) The most critical shooters were from two members that own Glocks. Lol, I predicted this. *I have a feeling the mags are Prototype and a better quality mag will come out at a later date. Just speculation.
I really liked the gun, however just not the gun for me. The gun felt very light even though it weighed approximately the same as some of the other guns, but just did not have a very solid feel to it. especially when shooting. I came home wondering if there was too much weight in the bottom of the gun vs more weight needed on the receiver especially with the extra rounds.
At that of course will be with any shooter to find the perfect gun. One lady in the group loved this gun and said she was going to purchase one after shooting it. She especially loved the grip and she performed very well at the 7 yd target.

So in conclusion, I think Sig has a real winner, that will be a great gun for many shooters. But like all guns, a shooter should rent or borrow one if possible before purchasing. Reviews or feeling about any gun are subject to bias and subjectivity. One size never fits all.
 
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But a common feeling was that the gun was a mild shooter but a little snappy to very snappy. Of course this would go from members shooting predominantly their own primary weapons. The snappiness would be more evident the more you shot it.
I wonder if we are defining "snappy" differently. Are you meaning muzzle jump? It definitely has some of that, but comes back down on target well IMHO. No way of getting around the physics of recoil. Something has to give. Maybe that's why the "soft" feeling for some, the muzzle flip gives the impression of less recoil by absorbing some of the force. In general I think muzzle flip with short barreled guns (Like my 3" 1911 in .45) is easier to get back on target, assuming a good grip, and thee P-365 has that, the grip helps it be more controllable.
 
Well, the club I belong to finally met yesterday and a member brought along his Late model Sig to compare with other members Micro 9mm's. We shot quite a bit of ammo. Mostly steel targets and one paper target set at 7 yds. All the shooter's were very active members who shoot frequently with a lot of experience. . Overall assessment seemed to be that the Sig is a nice shooter, but over hyped as far as handling and general performance. Every one in the group did well at the 7 yd paper target. But a common feeling was that the gun was a mild shooter but a little snappy to very snappy. Of course this would go from members shooting predominantly their own primary weapons. The snappiness would be more evident the more you shot it. If you are not doing extended range sessions it should not be a big factor. My self and another member felt it shot very similar to a Ruger LC9S but with a little less recoil and not quite as snappy as the Ruger. Most felt the gun did very well at close range, but less than stellar performance at longer ranges (15-20yds) compared to some of the other guns. (but remember, these are close combat range guns anyway)
Reliability was excellent. We shot approx a thousand rounds of mixed ammo and only had 4 failures and those we felt were user error. We believe that came from possibly riding the slide stop. You have to be aware of how close your thumb is positioned near the receiver. Mine would ride slightly on it no matter what I did, however it did not seem to be enough to effect the shooting. I doubt I could wear gloves and shoot the Sig.
Everyone liked the sights, the trigger, and loading the mags was very easy to do without a upula etc. The mags themselves did not look like very good quality but they functioned fine.(I did have some concern that they would hold up for a extended amount of time) The most critical shooters were from two members that own Glocks. Lol, I predicted this. *I have a feeling the mags are Prototype and a better quality mag will come out at a later date. Just speculation.
I really liked the gun, however just not the gun for me. The gun felt very light even though it weighed approximately the same as some of the other guns, but just did not have a very solid feel to it. especially when shooting. I came home wondering if there was too much weight in the bottom of the gun vs more weight needed on the receiver especially with the extra rounds.
At that of course will be with any shooter to find the perfect gun. One lady in the group loved this gun and said she was going to purchase one after shooting it. She especially loved the grip and she performed very well at the 7 yd target.

So in conclusion, I think Sig has a real winner, that will be a great gun for many shooters. But like all guns, a shooter should rent or borrow one if possible before purchasing. Reviews or feeling about any gun are subject to bias and subjectivity. One size never fits all.

Jeb,

That's a pretty fair assessment. Comparing my Shield 2.0 to the P365, the Shield for me is more accurate. At 21 feet I can punch out the 10 ring with my Shield on a B29 size target. With the P365 yesterday all my shots were within the 9 ring, making it more than accurate enough for defensive purposes. The Shield does seem more solid, although the P365 seems well built to me. The reason I went with the P365 is the extra capacity. I live in the Chicago area (for now), and my work takes me to questionable neighborhoods where a confrontation with multiple attackers is a real possibility. I need to pocket carry when meeting with customers due to the way I have to dress and the extra capacity of the P365 was important enough to me to make me go ahead with it. In regards to how snappy it is, I've been shooting a lot of 10mm lately so my perspective regarding recoil may be skewed, but again it wasn't an issue for me. I'm headed out to my gun club today where I can really test the P365 by practicing strings of multiple shots, something I couldn't do at the indoor range I was at yesterday and is how it would be used in a real self defense scenario. Assuming it performs as well as it did yesterday it'll become my go to pocket gun.

Tom
 
I would like to thank you all for the posts regarding the P365, especially your posts “pblanc”.
I went to Cabela’s a while back in search of a P365. I was on a mission to buy my first Sig Sauer. I have always liked Sigs but just could never afford one or was using my money for other things but I was enamoured with what I read about the P365 in Ads and gun articles.
The salesman I asked about the P365 said “You don’t want one.” Which took me aback. Then he expounded on the issues folks had with them and referred to 2 different forums discussing these issues as the striker breakage being the main complaint.
He did say that Sig was working on it and that perhaps the “Gen 3” is the answer.

Being one that has experienced the joys of buying a Remington R51 early Gen 2.
I couldn’t drop the idea of buying any ”Gen” gun fast enough unless it’s a Glock.

I may buy a Sig someday but it will not be a P365. Why? Because I would never fully trust it. Just like I will never fully trust my R51. It shoots great (now). It’s accurate (now) It feeds some ammo well (now), but I will never trust this gun.

Just like I do not trust apologists for gun manufacturers and gun store clerks that lie and tell you “All is well with this gun” when the truth is out there for all to see.
 
I would like to thank you all for the posts regarding the P365, especially your posts “pblanc”.
I went to Cabela’s a while back in search of a P365. I was on a mission to buy my first Sig Sauer. I have always liked Sigs but just could never afford one or was using my money for other things but I was enamoured with what I read about the P365 in Ads and gun articles.
The salesman I asked about the P365 said “You don’t want one.” Which took me aback. Then he expounded on the issues folks had with them and referred to 2 different forums discussing these issues as the striker breakage being the main complaint.
He did say that Sig was working on it and that perhaps the “Gen 3” is the answer.

Being one that has experienced the joys of buying a Remington R51 early Gen 2.
I couldn’t drop the idea of buying any ”Gen” gun fast enough unless it’s a Glock.

I may buy a Sig someday but it will not be a P365. Why? Because I would never fully trust it. Just like I will never fully trust my R51. It shoots great (now). It’s accurate (now) It feeds some ammo well (now), but I will never trust this gun.

Just like I do not trust apologists for gun manufacturers and gun store clerks that lie and tell you “All is well with this gun” when the truth is out there for all to see.

I am not sure why you would care what any store clerk said one way or another about a gun. They are in the business of Selling guns and they have hundreds. Many do not even shoot guns very often. The clerk that you mentioned was so lame that he had to refer to a few forums and yet he had never even shot the gun? I know the owner of the particular Sig we shot yesterday. He has been around firearms for years. While I did not ask him about striker Breakage, I never heard him mention of one and for sure we did not break one. And that is the only FACT that I know of.
 
I am not sure why you would care what any store clerk said one way or another about a gun. They are in the business of Selling guns and they have hundreds. Many do not even shoot guns very often. The clerk that you mentioned was so lame that he had to refer to a few forums and yet he had never even shot the gun? I know the owner of the particular Sig we shot yesterday. He has been around firearms for years. While I did not ask him about striker Breakage, I never heard him mention of one and for sure we did not break one. And that is the only FACT that I know of.

FACT- The clerk I spoke of owns 2 P365s, a Gen 1 and a Gen 2 as well as a dozen other Sigs.
FACT- That salesman is a prominent member of a Sig forum and another forum for another brand of reliable handguns.

I guess anyone basing the word of a gun salesman should be leery of what they have to say due to, as you say “Many do not even shoot guns very often”. How many Sig P365’s have you had experience with again?
I think I will go with what this salesman told me and what I have seen from forums by people that actually spent their hard earned cash on them, thanks very much.
 
Read my post, their is a question mark after "yet he had never even shot the gun?" Perhaps you could have put that info in your post.
Regardless, I have heard too many comments from Clerks over the years that simply were not accurate to believe in them for the most part. Of course there are some that are friends and enjoy conversations with.
All reviews including mine should be taken with a grain of salt. They are mostly guidelines for future prospective owners to gauge in a direction they want to to. And yes, before "THEY SPEND THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY". The final assessment should be by the individual after shooting the gun.
We all appreciate Hyenogator's great review and we are all just contributing our thoughs and experiences on this thread of a very Popular firearm just released to the gun community.
Question Have you shot the gun yet??
 
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Picked up a 365 a few days ago. Build date of 10 May 2018. It appears to have the updated striker assembly.

Put 16 mags through it yesterday using both of the supplied 10 rd mags eight times each. Ammo was everything from some 100 gr Win Clean, sintered bullet ammo to 147 gr Fed hydra shoks, Some GI 124 gr, as well as my normal 115 gr MT Gold reload.

NO malfunctions of any type.

Sights shot to point of aim with most ammo , though 1" or so high with some of the others. But perfect windage. I like the X-Ray sight set up.

I was quite surprised by the accuracy. My only other mini auto is a G-42 which shots groups 3-5 times larger than the 365. At 7 yds I was easily shooting groups with several shots touching in a nice, ragged hole. Ammo dependent of course, it liked some ammo more than others.

At 15-20 yds groups opened up as expected , but I was still hitting my 1/3 IPSC silhouette steel at 25 yds.

I didn't find recoil objectionable , or "snappy" or difficult to control.

Hoping to get out and shoot it more this weekend. I think it's a winner.

FN in MT
 
I got a chance to shoot one recently side-by-side with my SIG P938. I did really like the P365, but not enough to make me want to switch away from my P938 yet. The recoil profile was similar enough, and both guns had great triggers and were similarly accurate enough at 10 yards (we were shooting a steel plate rack). I could take either gun, no problems.

I would love to have the 12-round capacity however. Dang, that would just be so sweet.

I really love my P938, and will have a hard time parting with it. But 12 rounds!!!

I carry a 7-round mag in the gun now, and a 6-round backup mag in a Snagmag holder. That is 13 rounds for 2 mags. I could get 12 and not carry a backup, or 24 with a backup.

Did I mention that I love my P938??? But 12 rounds. Dang.
 
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