New Springfield EMP!

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While I'm at it. Are there any other 1911 platforms that were designed from scratch to be for a 9mm besides the EMP?

Thanks
 
i don't think there was any inference that breaking in a gun would increase reliability. the break-in is just to seat parts and detect any flaws
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OK, it seems to be a misnomer, at least to me. "Break-in" suggests to me that it's a time required to make it work properly. It just seems to be more of a test period.
 
No disrepect to 1911 lovers, but of all the threads I have read regarding reliability and finicky ammo choices, they predominently seem to be around the 1911 platform (or a variation of one). For a gun that has been around for so long, it seems odd that they can't be mass produced reliably in this day and age, especially when the cost of them is factored in.
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There are several reasons for this.

1. The 1911 most are familiar is often not being made to or kept in original specificiations. It has been modified by various companies, individuals, etc. Some of these modifications are improvements (sights, safeties). Some are not (overly extended controls, parts fitted too tightly) and result malfunctions become more likely.

2. The 1911 is being made in calibers not originally anticipated and not all the conversions are well thought out. Similarly, the ammunition used is often not that the 1911 was originally designed to handle and not all the modifications needed to accomodate this change are done well.

3. The 1911 was designed in an era when machining was expensive, labor was cheap, and quality was king. Individuals would hand fits parts and 1) wanted to get it right and 2) could be fired (no pun intended) on the spot if things weren't right. These days, labor is expensive (and difficult to terminate or replace), machining is cheap, and quality is somewhat less important. So, you machine things as tightly as you can, laborers simply put them together, and promise to fix whatever doesn't work.
 
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fletcher,

During the first 200 rounds through my EMP, I experienced every conceivable failure possible, but from round-count 201 through the present (guessing somewhere close to 2000 rounds) the gun has functioned flawlessly. I am not an engineer, and I do not know what happened between round-count 200 and 201, but the first experience I call "break-in" and the period thereafter I call "perfection."

stogiegila,

To my knowledge, no other 1911 platform has been designed and manufactured around the 9mm-40 cal length of cartridge. The Aegis is Kimber's shot at making a smaller feeling 1911, but to my knowledge all that distinguishes it from other alloy-framed 1911 9mms are the thinner grips.

Boarhunter
 
To my knowledge, no other 1911 platform has been designed and manufactured around the 9mm-40 cal length of cartridge. The Aegis is Kimber's shot at making a smaller feeling 1911, but to my knowledge all that distinguishes it from other alloy-framed 1911 9mms are the thinner grips.
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It depends on how broadly you define "1911." Star and (I believe) Llama had Browning-derived 9mms that were sized to that caliber, and STI has one in production currently.
 
stogiegila

It just frightens me to pay that price and then have to go through hoops before it functions as designed.

Then I suggest you stay away from the 1911 platform entirely and stick with glocks, CZ's or a few others that have proven reliable out of the box the majority of time.

Just to add to this thread, I have an EMP and it's been flawless from day one with the exception of rd 32 which failed to go into battery. Gun has over 2K through it presently. I've not jumped through hoops before it functions as designed with mine.

You take your chances when you buy ANY gun, that there will something not quite right and needs to be tweeked. Some guns have less chance of having issues, some have more.

The 1911 design has always been one that reuiqred more not less user/maker intervention to make them 100% reliable for SD. Hell, even some of the high dollar 1911's from custom makers have issues more than a glock or CZ at times.

Guns get fixed, they run. The design is valid or it is not. It can be made to run or it can't. My EMP is superb in reliability to date, it won't run with the glocks or CZ's but it runs just fine. It needs to be cleaned more often than the other two mentioned as well.

If it frightens you to take a chance on a new gun, don't buy it, buy a glock and/or a CZ and your worries are over for the most part [ unless you get one that needs to be tweeked to be 100% reliable which also happens with those guns ocassionally.

Nothing in life is free, you want an EMP small 1911 platform in 9mm, you take your chances lilke everyone else does. In the end, you don't need a reliability package to have it be dependable as you suggested earlier. Mine doesn't have it, not will it ever need it to run well.

The price of the EMP, like every other gun is irrelevant if you shoot any real amount of ammo through your guns. The gun is 1K. 5000 rds of 9mm and you've just spent the same amount on ammo as you did on the gun.

One of my glocks has 78K+ through it with three failures of one kind or another since 1988. Thats about $14,000.00 in ammo alone for that one gun. Broken trigger return spring at 73,200 rds, cost 2 dollars to replace it. The initial cost of the gun is irrelevant at that point wouldn't you think?

edited to add: If you want a gun thats as reliable as a glock or CZ, buy the glock or CZ [ maybe throw in a Sig there as well :D] No 1911 will run that many rounds without breaking/replacing parts long before that round count, nor many other handguns for that matter will run over 50K before they are found to be out of spec and junked, if you can get them to run that long to begin with.

Brownie
 
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I got my EMP for free by trading in two Glocks and I feel bad that I got the better end of the deal.
 
Buy Colt's. They build them on the loose side to help with reliability(like they were designed) and they are still accurate thanks to good bushing/barrel fit.
 
Variety IS the spice of LIFE

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This has been a great thread, and read, the mostly good, along with some of the bad, but I just went down to my gun dealers, took a long hard look at this Springfield EMP 9mm, and put down the deposit on this gun for my wife.

If it's half the gun as my Colt Defender (I love it) I feel confident, after I break it in for her..lol, that she will finally have the gun she can have a natural feel for, unlike the Sig P232 SL, which she couldn't warm up to.

So, this great feeling gun, trigger, 9 +1 9mm, sweet drop-magazine, Novak night sights, 3 magazines, should win her heart.. It won mine, for a lock and cock 9mm.

Well, the Sig P232 SL has made, and does make, a great, around the yard, gardening carry piece for me.. lol


LS
 
Funny thing about all this fuss and hype...I think this has been done several times by several manufacturers over the years and they get no praise or their asses kissed. Now I pick up a gun rag or read on a message board about the hot new Springfield.

I have a single action Astra A-70 that does everything this gun is supposed to do and it has never malfunctioned after several hundred rounds, too bad the Astra didn't catch on...it had a lot going for it. Controls were like a 1911 and the locking system and other internals were basically Sig designs.

The Springfield does the same thing as my Astra at over twice the price, but I bet since its a 1911 it will outsell hotcakes and them some...it makes me sad in a way
 
My EMP

I've had my EMP for about a month now, and before purchasing I read this and many other forums and even made a few posts myself regarding the problems people have had.

My EMP is a serial number 13XX. I have had absolutely NO Problems out of the box, regardless of ammo ! Prior to getting my EMP, I was using my SIG P229R as my carry gun; now I only use the EMP.

First: My EMP is the most accurate gun I've ever shot.... for me, it's probably more accurate than I can actually shoot ! I can do much better (tighter groupings AND placement) with my EMP than with my SIG, and that's the way it's been since my first EMP round; even though I've had my SIG for about 10 months, and shoot it at least once per week.

Second: The EMP is a really fine piece of work. As an engineer, I love the quality and the fit; of course the same goes for my SIG. I got my SIG with Crimson Trace, so I actually paid about the same for my SIG as for my EMP. Is it worth the price ? I certainly think so. IMHO both guns are excellent and of superior quality and I wouldn't think of getting rid of either. Also, with the EMP the included holster and mag carrier are excellent, and add to the value of the package.

Third: For carry purposes, the EMP is a trade-off. I have 17 rnd mags for my SIG, so I can carry it without carrying extra mags and still feel comfortable. With my EMP, I usually carry 2 extra mags in the holster which came with the gun, so that's not quite as convenient for me. However, the smaller size and lower weight of the EMP vs my SIG is well worth it. I very quickly got used to hitting the thumb safety when drawing, and I can actually draw and present my EMP slightly faster than my SIG; my thought is that's due to the length of the SIG.

My SIG and EMP are two completely different tools, and they both serve their purpose very well. You'll have to decide if you think it's worth the price for an EMP, but I certainly think it is. I agree with the idea that you shouldn't have any hassels out of the box when you pay $1,000 for gun; and for me I haven't had any with either my SIG or my EMP.

Finally, the EMP is just a pleasure to shoot. My SIG is also, but for some reason (maybe the feel and size), I like to shoot the EMP more.

Best of luck in your decision; but I think you won't be disappointed with an EMP ! :D
 
Question Seven Michael

Quote: Also, with the EMP the included holster and mag carrier are excellent, and add to the value of the package.
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Was this just a bonus your gun dealer threw in, or is this some kind of *EMP promotion that is going on, or was going on?

*If a promotion from Springfield, could you advise me, give me a link, and when (Date/month) you bought yours.

Thanks, and I know what you mean, as the smaller 1911's, like my Colt, shoot accurate, tightest groups, every time, every range visit over my Sigs.

I think some of the accuracy equation must be the Novak sights.


LS
 
Lonestar :

I couldn't find it on their web site, but to my knowledge ALL EMPs come complete with: case, lock, cleaning brush, holster + mag holster, tool bag (several items), and 3 magazines (9 rnd; 1 in the gun + 2 extra). At least that is how mine came, and I didn't negotiate any "extras" with the dealer.

Also, I got a Springfield "fully loaded" coupon, which according to their web site, they're still offering (look under "1911 loaded coupon"):

http://www.springfield-armory.com/specialoffers.php

With this coupon, I was able to get as many more magazines as I wanted (I ordered 6) at a price of $19 ea versus the regular price of $32. Quite a nice savings ! :)
 
Most of Springfield's products now come with a kydex belt holster and mag holster as a bonus. It is part of the case, as seen in the attachment (note it only comes with 2 mags).
 

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Thank you both..

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Looks good, as I will go down to my gun dealer today and "seal the deal" and if they show good faith, I will submit my DOJ on the new gun today as well.

Just another quick question: As far as you know, do any of these EMP's come with polished shiny stainless steel on the slides sides, or are they, yours, just the, hmmm, for lack of right term/color, are they a stainless steel slide that is kinda all grayish in color?

Again, my thanks


LS
 
Good enough

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Thanks..

For a person that is "not all that worldly", lol, you're one of "the many" that make this forum such a pleasure to have joined, some time back.


LS :)
 
No problem, just gonna have to wait

Quote: Thanks bud!

Now go get your EMP and shoot the mess out of it.

We expect a full report!
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Will do, but don't hold your breath, lol, but here in Calif, that will be 30 days from today, along with, after I break it in (just certify to myself) that it is 100% thru any 200 round session. As I'm buying it for my wife, as the Sig P232 SL 380 I bought her some 4 months ago has not won her heart, in terms of "wanting to go shooting more".. and I know what the problem is. Too much recoil with the blow-back action, which involves a much stronger spring, making for manual cycling of the slide for her, no-joy.

Add to that, the "thumb-release" of the magazine, and a tricky, slightly off center insertion of the magazine, then it goes up and in straight, makes for too many "issues" that she has with that gun, rightfully so.

That is why I'm so excited about this small 1911 9mm.. All the above problems mentioned, do not exist in the EMP.. along with less recoil, better bullet (more bullets), lighter SAO trigger-only over the 232's hard DA/SA-slam, and mags that pop out, and pop in, just that fast.

Plus, it looks so GOOD :) and is very, very CCW, size wise.

I hope my report, when it finally comes in, not only helps the male gun buyer, but hopefully some of the woman users, and their husbands/boyfriends, whatever, lol, decision-making, in trying to get their loved one's involved in shooting, with JOY, EASE, comfort and reliability.

Maybe, someone that qualifies (that owns one) should start a New thread, kinda like the Sig theads, CZ threads, etc., about this little jewel of a 9mm 1911..?

This thread, is some 10 pages, and worth every page, but may be too deep for a reader, on the edge, so to speak, about the good, or bad, of this "particular guns" unque features and advantages..

As I stand on, and believe, ~ Variety IS the spice of LIFE ~ and every gun maker has something good to offer, not just one make only, all others suck, which I can understand those loyal to one gun maker, but I know what I know, with Beretta, Sigs, Colt, and now coming soon, Springfield.


Will keep ya posted, just gonna be a bit.. lol



LS ;)
 
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Man. 30 days.

Phew.

They'd have to put me in a mental institution.

I put a Glock 26 on layaway one day.

Went the next day and paid if off. LOL.

Your wife will dig the EMP much more than the 232.

Do this:

When she forsakes the 232, buy you a pair of Nill Grips and turn it into a sexy beast!
 
Yes, they take care of us in Calif.. NOT

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Yep, 30 days wait, and not a day sooner, or you have to wait another 10 days. This for our health, so we can change our mind if we want to shoot ourselves, or someone that needs Texas Justice.. lol j/k

Yep, that and to make sure we cannot, and do not, ARM-UP in haste, and start our own one-man Army and WAR here in the concrete jungles, thruout southern and northern Calif.

Yep, our tax dollars at work (not) thru great representation (not) more taxes, free giveaways to non-residents, to be politically correct, and everything is going to hell in a hand basket.. cept for our health, and buying gun powers, in check, along with 10 round magazines max loads..

Just a joy living here.. Soon to move, trust me, just got to milk our business a little longer, here where the money is at, then OUT OF HERE.. pronto.


Thanks guys for the support and input.. very much appreciated.. :)


LS


PS.. yes, they haven't covered the 30 day mental breakdown, waiting period, for many, but patience is one thing I own.. No problem, as I planned, and still am planning, far in advance, for the Storm that could, may, will, hit Calif one BIG DAY.
 
Afraid so

Quote: i assume you're talking about the 30 days between gun purchases
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Yes, a benefit of my/our tax dollars at work, I guess..


LS
 
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