New style sights. Think they are any good??

[lostone1413]

I just put a Big Dot Sight on my P220. Being in my late 50s it is hard to see the front sight with the Big Dot. I found these sights The claim is you look through the site at the threat so you don't have to get a clear front sight picture. The price of the site and having it mounted on my P220 is $168.00. When I read about the site in away it makes sense to me. I was wondering what you more experienced shooters think. Sound good or sound like BS. You can see and read about the site at http://www.goshen-hexsite.com/

 

[RyanM]

I'm definitely not an experienced shooter, but my BS meter spiked a couple times while reading through the site.

Because the human brain converts the hexagonal angles of the HexSite™ into 16 reference points, the eye’s focus is involuntarily drawn to the precise center of the aperture without conscious effort. As Daniel S. Lambert, PAC, points out in his article “Optimum Sight Utilization”, because this “implied-line” principle engages when looking through the HexSite™, this eliminates any necessity of looking at the sight. This advantage would not be true of a round ghost sight, which has no reference points to aid the eye in centering.

I thought it was actually that the eye is drawn to the greatest source of light (the center of an apeture sight), thus shape of the apeture makes no difference as long as it's brightest in the middle?

A hexagon’s structural support makes it the strongest of all geometrical forms, making the all-steel construction of the HexSite™ exceptionally robust.

False. The strongest two dimensional shape is the triangle.

The rear concavity shadow of the HexSite™ creates its own lowest value on the light scale (black), achieving contrast with the higher value of the target (white). Result – maximum focus on the target.

So then what happens if the target is wearing a black shirt?

Ask any survivor of an armed conflict about his sighting picture. Most likely, he will respond that he did not have one. He wasn’t looking at his high-profile, red-dot, glow-in-the-dark, whizbang sight – the one he used in shooting at an out-of-focus, non-threatening piece of paper.

Haven't done so myself, but from what I've read on here and in gun rags, the divide is pretty close to 50/50 between people that did use their sights, and people that did not. In the latter case, it doesn't matter what is on top of your gun, if you aren't using them.

Fancy, gee-whiz gadgetry is no substitute for training and practice.

If you're having trouble seeing your front sight, I'd recommend consulting an optometrist, not a bunch of gun-nuts.

 

[Joejojoba111]

I'm thinking that a triangle is strong when you apply pressure to point, but not so much when you apply pressure perpendicular to a flat side. Maybe that is the Hexagon advantage?

About black t-shirts, I second the question.

 

[Az_Speed]

HexSite

I too am over 50 and could not see the sights on a Savage 24F rifle/shotgun I had. Just like you I found the HexSite on the web and it sounded reasonable so I had it installed on the rifle. I was amazed at how well they work. Not only that it was just a blast to shoot this gun. Off hand shots with the .223 on the 300 yard gong were no problem and just about anything else I pointed it at was hit. Anyway, I have four pistols there being changed to those sights and a model 870 Wingmaster. I don't there is anything better for older eyes and perhaps for the young ones also.

Lastly, on a black tee shirt - if you can see it with your eyes you can see it through these sights.

 

[susan28]

hey all, happened to notice this thread while googling for a video i just posted of the Hexsites. i had them installed on my G20 and was duly impressed with the fact that they really, truly, no exaggeration, do what they claim.. they are for real, y'all.

re: the black t-shirt question, the aperture will let in any light *surrounding* the black t-shirt, i'd think, and that's what might enable the front sight to be seen against it, ie: light will be coming in around the front blade and set it off against whatever's behind it, but either way having a glowing dot on the front seems like it would just sabotage your night vision.

re: eyes seeking the brightest light, yes, but the aperture will make it a hex-shaped "beam", basically, which apparently makes your eyes find the center even quicker. i noticed as that circle diagram on their website slowly turned into a hexagon my eyes did seem more "certain" about where the center was.

anyhoo, i went ahead and posted my reviews of both the HexSite and their "Keeper" system, which i had done along with the sights, including pics and video, and you can see what you think, yes?

here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=378997

 

[cpttango30]

I think these would provide a better sighting system with a less obstructed view of the target.

Thats just me though as I can not stand peep style sights

 

[akodo]

have any of the users who love these compared them to more standard peep sights?

everything he says to me would also hold true of any peep sights, except I don't buy that 16 refrence point mumbo-jumbo

http://oneraggedhole.com/The_RUGER_One_Hole_Sight.htm

 

[jesse485]

If it was my money, I'd look at the Suresight over this any day.

 

[yeti]

Thats just me though as I can not stand peep style sights/QUOTE]

But a ghost ring isn't a peep sight. You don't so much look(sight) through a ghost ring, it is more that you place the ring in your line of sight, and your eyes tend to naturally include the ring in your view. Think of it like looking at a bird, binoculars would be the equivalent to using a peep sight, you are looking through the eye pieces and aiming the binoculars at the bird. But if you just look out the window at the bird, you can center the bird in the window frame with out focusing on the window. Kind of a simplistic and sort of inaccurate description, but, well you know.

Regular iron sights, you need to focus on the front sight, peep sights are the same but you look through the 'peep' to focus on the front sight, with a ghost ring you focus on the target and impose the ring into your line of sight. You still keep focus but your eyes perceive the ring and the bright center 'aiming dot'(for lack of a better term). Hope that is a little better.

 

[hankdatank1362]

3 years old when started, bumped a year after it was started, and now here we are, 2 years after that. Oh well, God bless you for using the search function.

I still fail to see what these offer that a standard ghost ring setup doesn't... and if that's your thing, they make ghost rings in tritium, too.

Me? If I wanted super ultra tactical, I'd throw a micro red dot on my carry gun, like a J Point or Dr. Optics.

 

[.38 Special]

I haven't tried the HexSite and don't plan on it, having never found any sort of aperture sight worthwhile on a handgun. Moreover, maybe I'm a cynical old so-and-so but I raise an eyebrow whenever I see a newly registered member (or two) extolling the virtues of some new product.

Fortunately, my eyes still work well and I do not yet have to worry about seeing my sights. When the time comes I will probably be using a lot more red dot sights and scopes. I do not currently care for the sight picture created by tritium dots and such, but could see how they might be of use on a carry gun, for folks who have trouble seeing the black blade and notch.

 

[yeti]

3 years old when started, bumped a year after it was started, and now here we are, 2 years after that. Oh well, God bless you for using the search function. /QUOTE]

Even though I did no searching, the thread was just at the top of the queue when I logged in today, Your Welcome.

I still fail to see what these offer that a standard ghost ring setup doesn't... and if that's your thing, they make ghost rings in tritium, too./QUOTE]

I tend to agree with you. I can see on the range, or target shooting, something where you have a little time and a lot less pressure, the shape may let you get a more refined aim. I'm not saying the "16 reference points" do help improve aim, they are awful tiny points to pick up, but, and maybe only in mind, I can see how available reference points combined with enough time for your mind to recognize them and utilize them, would help refine your aim.

Seeing as how they are marketed as a combat sight, I just don't feel there would be any noticeable difference between these and a plain round ghost ring. If you are under so much stress you can't hardly find the front sight, I can't see you finding these reference points and putting them to any practical use.

 

[scrat]

Wow a few new members welcome to the high road.


I too i guess suffer from a little poor eyesight. Well on one of my guns i went out and bought some flourescent paint. then put a very small dab on the front sight. Well so far im very very pleased on how i shoot with it. Its a small thing that made a huge difference in my shooting. So before going out and replacing what you have you may want to try something like this. I used the orange flourescent paint. i was now thinking of useing the orange to make a large dot on the front. Then take a needle or paperclip and using flourescent green to put an even smaller dot on the center of that dot. so it will be easy to see in all kinds of light.