New Walther PPS
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USMC_1983-89
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Thank you, gentlemen.
They show up on gunbroker sometimes, but are all usually sold pretty quick. The all black regular version is supposed to be out there right now in small numbers. But not many people have seen them. I imagine by spring time, they will be easily found all over.
ABBOBERG
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I thought this thread was about the Walther PPS. The most velocity I have seen out of a PPS with 124 gr 9mm is 1106 ft/sec with Black Hills 124 JHP. This calculates to 336 ft-lbs of energy. It falls short of the 1181 ft/sec shown in the gelatin test at 384 ft-lbs.
I don't think we want to turn this thread into a caliber war. Also, if we want to compare sub-compacts, then we should be looking at gelatin tests with maximum loadings in the actual sub-compact weapons we are comparing. Otherwise, posting images of ammunition shot from other guns is misleading.
Silvanus
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I handled on at a store a few weeks ago. It's not useful for me, but I thought it'd make a great concealed carry weapon. It's small, but still surprisingly heavy, which is probably good to handle the recoil out of the short barrel. The trigger was just fine for me, but then I'm used to Glocks, so that doesn't say much. Overall, I liked it. I would consider one as a carry weapon, when a service sized gun is not comfortable.
Alan the big "cloud" you see around the wound path is the temporary cavity, not the actual hole, its the part that the experts say really doesn't help wounding in handguns. The size of the hole is the length by the size of the slug at the right.
Isn't the "temporary cavity" still displaced flesh? I'd like to talk more about this ("share what you know and learn what you don't" and all of that stuff) but apparently this isn't the thread for that.
Getting back to discussion of the PPS ... it's about the size of a PPK but more boxier ...
... and has a Glock like trigger but I believe that somebody already said that.
Getting back to discussion of the PPS ... it's about the size of a PPK but more boxier ...
... and has a Glock like trigger but I believe that somebody already said that.
dhoomonyou
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I was interested until i saw the ONE YEAR warranty.
Temporarily displaced, like pushing in on your belly and then it returning to where it was before. With rifle rounds that displacement is much more powerful and the fragmentation from the rounds can help shred the temporary cavity making a much larger wound. The doctors say that most of our bodies are just too elastic for the stretching from a handgun's temporary cavity to play an important part in wounding and to really just focus on the actual hole the bullet leaves. If you're interested in reading more, I always recommend this http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
Overall that initial picture is just misleading if you don't know what you're looking at. Take a look at this post by Dr. Roberts that features that picture
http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000964
But to bring my post a bit back to the pps thing
S&W imports the P99 and the PPS in the US and handles their warranty work here. From my understanding they treat the P99 like s&w customers and the warranty actually winds up being lifetime. I haven't had to have my p99's serviced but I've used s&w's customer service before and that sounds like them.
YANKEE2500
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What are the PPS going for ? YANKEE2500
InfernoMDM
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Hope this isn't a completely dead thread.
First I broke my Walther PPS with a promag. The gun ran except I would have a failure to extract 100-200 rounds. They fixed the gun free of charge shipping included no questions asked and that gun had 21K rounds and was a few years old.
First let me start this off by saying, I hate glocks, and love Walthers. I hate the glock trigger, and the grip angle.
The first thing anyone who has shot a glock and has a flare for nice triggers is this isn't like the glock. Unlike most glock triggers this one is more rounded and doesn't kick back into your finger like the glock will. That said I owned and carried a glock and its a great gun, but I think the fan fare/hype is a bit much.
I was very very hesitant to buy a brand new first edition PPS. A few main reasons which are, the trigger, its brand new and most weapons go through a teething phase, and last but not least comments on the grip safety. I will get to the grip safety in a moment. Honestly I really fell in love with the P99 DA/SA trigger and own a full size 9mm and a compact. I thought why do I need a slim gun if I have a double stack with 10 rounds.
If you have ever shot a pocket rock you will know how most you can't hit the side of a barn, which isn't a problem because most of these guns are get off me guns. With a get off me gun two things should be implied. Your a good shot, and your not fighting off several people in a combat zone. IE 6 rounds for the most part should be fine for the start, and considering 6 rounds was the best you could get for decades I think we all will survive. I also wont rehash the debate on the 9vs40vs45 as the old timers wont learn a damn thing that size sometimes doesn't matter.
Getting all that out of the way.... I ended up buying a used PPS because honestly I just didn't think I would like it at all. Boy was I freaking wrong, and the people talking about the double stack being acceptable. Let me just say this thing is akin to a cloaked mother ship in comparison. Although the size isn't much different in dimension then most sub compacts, the width is great, and contrary to the first editions look, the gun is very sturdy not like most guns this size. I started hooking up with some females and while I spend half of my time getting into bed with some girls, the other half is generally concealing the lump. Lets just say I can get a hug from a beautiful full figured woman and all she thinks I have with me is a cellphone, well two(my cell is in my other pocket).
For all of you that say its like a "glock" in trigger, yes the mechanics may be similar, but the feel is better. It feels much like my fluffed and buffed 3.5 pound Glock trigger. As for the over travel talked about earlier, it is more then most Walther triggers but the actual reset is about at half the width of a 9mm bullet casing from break to reset.
Also as for the ugly comments, the black ones are much sexier, and when you have the gun in front of you might change your mind, photos really don't do this justice.
I have hit the 1000 mark and have shot everything from WWB to some hot +P+ stuff. No issues.
Now you maybe asking what is wrong with the pistol how did I end up with a used one. Well I didn't know until after two weeks. I neglected to try the wide back strap as I have small hands. The wider back strap wouldn't seat and I have contacted Walther America who will be sending me a new back strap ASAP(its in the mail). If I have any other issues I can send it back to them free of charge both ways. I am hoping the back strap fixes the issues. As for the back strap this is the only drawback although they seem solid I wish they had made the plastic tabs out of metal. A personal preference, but all the same something they may look at. Considering the performance of smaller plastic pieces on other firearms I am not to worried.
First I broke my Walther PPS with a promag. The gun ran except I would have a failure to extract 100-200 rounds. They fixed the gun free of charge shipping included no questions asked and that gun had 21K rounds and was a few years old.
First let me start this off by saying, I hate glocks, and love Walthers. I hate the glock trigger, and the grip angle.
The first thing anyone who has shot a glock and has a flare for nice triggers is this isn't like the glock. Unlike most glock triggers this one is more rounded and doesn't kick back into your finger like the glock will. That said I owned and carried a glock and its a great gun, but I think the fan fare/hype is a bit much.
I was very very hesitant to buy a brand new first edition PPS. A few main reasons which are, the trigger, its brand new and most weapons go through a teething phase, and last but not least comments on the grip safety. I will get to the grip safety in a moment. Honestly I really fell in love with the P99 DA/SA trigger and own a full size 9mm and a compact. I thought why do I need a slim gun if I have a double stack with 10 rounds.
If you have ever shot a pocket rock you will know how most you can't hit the side of a barn, which isn't a problem because most of these guns are get off me guns. With a get off me gun two things should be implied. Your a good shot, and your not fighting off several people in a combat zone. IE 6 rounds for the most part should be fine for the start, and considering 6 rounds was the best you could get for decades I think we all will survive. I also wont rehash the debate on the 9vs40vs45 as the old timers wont learn a damn thing that size sometimes doesn't matter.
Getting all that out of the way.... I ended up buying a used PPS because honestly I just didn't think I would like it at all. Boy was I freaking wrong, and the people talking about the double stack being acceptable. Let me just say this thing is akin to a cloaked mother ship in comparison. Although the size isn't much different in dimension then most sub compacts, the width is great, and contrary to the first editions look, the gun is very sturdy not like most guns this size. I started hooking up with some females and while I spend half of my time getting into bed with some girls, the other half is generally concealing the lump. Lets just say I can get a hug from a beautiful full figured woman and all she thinks I have with me is a cellphone, well two(my cell is in my other pocket).
For all of you that say its like a "glock" in trigger, yes the mechanics may be similar, but the feel is better. It feels much like my fluffed and buffed 3.5 pound Glock trigger. As for the over travel talked about earlier, it is more then most Walther triggers but the actual reset is about at half the width of a 9mm bullet casing from break to reset.
Also as for the ugly comments, the black ones are much sexier, and when you have the gun in front of you might change your mind, photos really don't do this justice.
I have hit the 1000 mark and have shot everything from WWB to some hot +P+ stuff. No issues.
Now you maybe asking what is wrong with the pistol how did I end up with a used one. Well I didn't know until after two weeks. I neglected to try the wide back strap as I have small hands. The wider back strap wouldn't seat and I have contacted Walther America who will be sending me a new back strap ASAP(its in the mail). If I have any other issues I can send it back to them free of charge both ways. I am hoping the back strap fixes the issues. As for the back strap this is the only drawback although they seem solid I wish they had made the plastic tabs out of metal. A personal preference, but all the same something they may look at. Considering the performance of smaller plastic pieces on other firearms I am not to worried.
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The p99C is basically the same height and length, but is defiantly a great deal fatter. That goes for the sub compact glock.
As for the Trigger pull its obviously heavier then the SA side, but far lighter then the DA. I am going to guess around 4 pounds give or take a pound. The trigger is pretty smooth and doesn't have that spongy feeling you get from most other striker fired weapons liked the XD and Glock.
As for the Trigger pull its obviously heavier then the SA side, but far lighter then the DA. I am going to guess around 4 pounds give or take a pound. The trigger is pretty smooth and doesn't have that spongy feeling you get from most other striker fired weapons liked the XD and Glock.
PX15
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In my experience PROMAGS suck...
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PPS versus Glock 26 or .40 cal
I recently got my Walther PPS in 9mm (after extensive searching) and have put about 600 rounds through it and it is a dream to shoot! I have a Glock 26 and while the capacity is larger (10+1 vs 7+1) the PPS IMHO shoots and points better. I have a couple of 8-round mags on order but feel perfectly well-armed with the 7 that came with it.
Some of the better aspects of the gun include:
Recoil - surprisingly low
Accuracy - dead-on at 7 yds out of the box (remember to clean piece before firing!)
Comfort - Every bit as comfortable as my Ruger SP101 and every bit as comfortable as my Sig P-239.
Point/hip shooting - as good or better than both! (Note: this is not an endorsement of point shooting, merely an observation.)
Relative to the .40 cal, for me the PPS is far more controllable and keeps on target better than my P239. Don't get me wrong, the P239 is an absolutely terrific gun and I won't be getting rid of mine. The PPS simply shoots easier and stays on target better. Please note that I have not entered the 40 vs. 9mm fray as I have not found that to be a significant issue. For those to whom it is a significant issue, the PPS has just started shipping in 40 cal. Not sure how recoil can stay as comfortable but who knows? All in all, the most exciting new gun in quite a while. Carries well in an Uncle Mikes Sidekick #15. More holsters will come as the gun gains wider use.
Hope you get one!
I recently got my Walther PPS in 9mm (after extensive searching) and have put about 600 rounds through it and it is a dream to shoot! I have a Glock 26 and while the capacity is larger (10+1 vs 7+1) the PPS IMHO shoots and points better. I have a couple of 8-round mags on order but feel perfectly well-armed with the 7 that came with it.
Some of the better aspects of the gun include:
Recoil - surprisingly low
Accuracy - dead-on at 7 yds out of the box (remember to clean piece before firing!)
Comfort - Every bit as comfortable as my Ruger SP101 and every bit as comfortable as my Sig P-239.
Point/hip shooting - as good or better than both! (Note: this is not an endorsement of point shooting, merely an observation.)
Relative to the .40 cal, for me the PPS is far more controllable and keeps on target better than my P239. Don't get me wrong, the P239 is an absolutely terrific gun and I won't be getting rid of mine. The PPS simply shoots easier and stays on target better. Please note that I have not entered the 40 vs. 9mm fray as I have not found that to be a significant issue. For those to whom it is a significant issue, the PPS has just started shipping in 40 cal. Not sure how recoil can stay as comfortable but who knows? All in all, the most exciting new gun in quite a while. Carries well in an Uncle Mikes Sidekick #15. More holsters will come as the gun gains wider use.
Hope you get one!
FireCaptDave
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Magazine Disconnect/Safety?
Can anyone tell me if the PPS has a mag disconnect/safety? Thanks
Can anyone tell me if the PPS has a mag disconnect/safety? Thanks
PX15
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FireCaptainDave:
"Mag Disconnect Safety" question..
Apparently some PPS's do come with the mag disconnect safety (according to my PPS manual some are equipped with a mag. disconnect safety as an OPTION ). But MY PPS does NOT have one. The manual explains that if the PPS is equipped with the mds there will be a small "m" (I think "m" I'm speaking from memory) engraved inside the frame. No letter , no mds.
My guess is that all PPS's shipped to the US for retail sales will all be the same with no mds's, and other countries or perhaps leo agencies might get the ones with the mds?
Anyone else with better knowledge is welcome to jump in anytime, as I can only speak for my PPS. The explanation is in the owners manual and it is very easy to check your PPS for yourself to see if it has or has not the mds.
I don't believe that Walther is sending both types in a "mix and match" senario to the consumer in the US, and my guess is that standard PPS's shipped to the US market will not be so equipped.
I can't speak for FE's buy perhaps someone who owns one will check in and let us know.
Hope this helps.
JP
"Mag Disconnect Safety" question..
Apparently some PPS's do come with the mag disconnect safety (according to my PPS manual some are equipped with a mag. disconnect safety as an OPTION ). But MY PPS does NOT have one. The manual explains that if the PPS is equipped with the mds there will be a small "m" (I think "m" I'm speaking from memory) engraved inside the frame. No letter , no mds.
My guess is that all PPS's shipped to the US for retail sales will all be the same with no mds's, and other countries or perhaps leo agencies might get the ones with the mds?
Anyone else with better knowledge is welcome to jump in anytime, as I can only speak for my PPS. The explanation is in the owners manual and it is very easy to check your PPS for yourself to see if it has or has not the mds.
I don't believe that Walther is sending both types in a "mix and match" senario to the consumer in the US, and my guess is that standard PPS's shipped to the US market will not be so equipped.
I can't speak for FE's buy perhaps someone who owns one will check in and let us know.
Hope this helps.
JP
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searcher451
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Many of the questions asked in this thread are covered in the recent Gunblast review. Here's a link:
http://www.gunblast.com/Walther-PPS.htm
For those who are interesting in the gun and think that they might want to gain additional information, or possibly even get one, you might want to the check out the PPS section on the Walther Forum, which has covered much of this ground for months and is populated by folks who have had some first-hand experience with the PPS:
http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/index.php
For what it's worth, I bought a PPS FE a few months ago and have found it to be far better-looking than advertised and exactly what you would expect from a Walther: a high-performance, quality firearm. My PPS functions flawlessly and shoots accurately. It's easy to conceal and easy to carry. I'll be picking up a second one sometime this summer and will be happy to have it.
http://www.gunblast.com/Walther-PPS.htm
For those who are interesting in the gun and think that they might want to gain additional information, or possibly even get one, you might want to the check out the PPS section on the Walther Forum, which has covered much of this ground for months and is populated by folks who have had some first-hand experience with the PPS:
http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/index.php
For what it's worth, I bought a PPS FE a few months ago and have found it to be far better-looking than advertised and exactly what you would expect from a Walther: a high-performance, quality firearm. My PPS functions flawlessly and shoots accurately. It's easy to conceal and easy to carry. I'll be picking up a second one sometime this summer and will be happy to have it.
Matt-J2
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I saw one of the FEs at Gander shortly after release, and it stuck around for quite awhile. Could be cause we don't have CC here, could be cause Gander charged over $700 for it.
Maybe 2-3 weeks ago saw one at the local Scheels, don't recall the price but it was gone pretty quick.
I have handled it, and I love the way it handles but it's out of my current budget range for sure.
Maybe 2-3 weeks ago saw one at the local Scheels, don't recall the price but it was gone pretty quick.
I have handled it, and I love the way it handles but it's out of my current budget range for sure.
searcher451
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+1 to checking the information on the Walther Forum, where a lot of PPS folks reside and regularly chime in about the gun. I've got a First Edition model in 9 mm and am quite impressed with it. I've got upwards of 500 trouble-free rounds through it and have found it to be easy to shot, easy to aim, easy to double-tap, and quite impressive overall. If you find one for $600 and above, you are paying too much.
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