Newspaper makes good on threat to publish CCW holder's names (merged)

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Newspaper makes good on threat to publish CCW holder's names

The Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper today made good on their threat to publish the names of CCW holders in this morning's paper. They listed the names and ages of all the CCW holders in a number of counties in Northeast Ohio. According to the paper, they will publish the rest of the list for the remaining counties in NE Ohio, tomorrow. They also listed a website, cleveland.com/indepth/concealed where anyone can go to get a copy of the list. They also vowed to publish the list again at a later undetermined date. Just another reason why the concealed carry law in Ohio, in it's present state, isn't worth bothering with.
 
Those damn, dirty apes. I sincerely hope that if anyone listed by the paper finds their home robbed, that they sue the paper painting a bullseye on them.

Sounds like it's time for us to find out the names and home addresses of /all/ employees and management of said newspaper, and to publish the information online. Along with links to satellite photos of their home, if available. If that's how they want to play, I say, let's play.
 
lillysdad,

That information is being published in direct violation of Ohio law.

Would you have a problem with newspapers publishing other public information like, oh i dont know, the names, home addresses and phone numbers, SSN, and vehicle descriptions of all the local police officers? Maybe they should publish whether or not they are married, how many times, their wive's names, kids names, etc.

After all - this IS public information.

Is it a little clearer now?
 
It IS public information.

AFAIK it does NOT violate the law (but I could be wrong).

It is still a dumb-arsed politically motivated thing to do.

It is intimidation, pure and simple. "If you get a CCW, we'll tell everyone who you are." Really high-class of the Plain Dealer, huh?

OK, fine. Anyone have an employment list of the plain dealer's staff? Anyone have a website in which we can print all of the publicly available info on them? Income, address, working hours, blueprints of the house, photos, etc? Hey, its legal. Its public information.

I bet if that happened, the Plain Dealer would be screaming bloody murder about how there is a difference between what is legal and what is right.

Mike :rolleyes:
 
Cleveland Newspaper Publishes CHL List

Wow, I thought the newspaper folks would have realized by now not to do this. Yes, I am in this list- and not too happy about it. I have an uncommon last name, and am listed in the phone book. Not too hard to figure out where I live.
this is from the OFCC web site=


On January 15, 2004 Cleveland Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton stated the following in his very first weblog:

"The "how to reach us" box on 2A lists e-mail addresses and phone numbers for senior editors and similar information appears at the bottom of every staff produced story. Those devices make the communication more personal and more immediate. Some times it's so personal and so immediate you can feel its heat. In the last week or so most of the heat was generated by gun rights advocates who took exception to our announced intent to publish the names of those licensed to carry a concealed weapon."
Despite the "heat" generated, the Plain Dealer has followed through on its promise to violate the privacy of thousands of people who have broken no laws, violated no other persons' rights, and who simply wish to exercize their constitutional right to self-defense.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry has learned that the editors of the Cleveland Plain Dealer have begun publishing a names of concealed handgun license-holders in Ciuyahoga Co. and five surrounding counties. Three counties, Ashtabula, Cuyahoga & Erie, were published today, and three more will be published tomorrow.

Four other newspapers have already published such lists - one of which is now under investigation for having published information protected by the law, a felony. The Plain Dealer is the first to publish the lists online.

The Plain Dealer was one of the first to publish its intention to abuse the media access priviledge, granted after Gov. Taft insisted that reporters could act as a check and a balance to insure that licenses were being issued appropriately.


January 9: "Since Taft chooses to hide behind journalists on this vital public-records matter, it is this newspaper's intention to obtain this information and publish it. Our readers deserve to know the identities of those who obtain permits to carry their guns in public. We hope other news organizations will do the same in their communities."

January 12: "This little showdown came about because one of the new law's provisions prohibits the general public that would be you from finding out who is purchasing a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Only journalists are allowed that information. So, that is exactly what we intend to do. We will find out who bought the permits to carry concealed weapons and then let you know, too."
The editor of the Cleveland believes in open records. Thus he should certainly have no problem with OFCC publishing his home address and telephone number:

Douglas Clifton
19 Shoreby Dr.
Cleveland, OH 44108-1161
Tel.: (216) 761-6577

For a map to his half-million dollar home, click here.

Clifton paid $550,000 for the house in 1999. He and his wife Peg reside there. They have two adult children and two grandchildren.

Rep. James Aslanides (R-Coshocton), the bill's sponsor, said in conference committee and during a short floor speech that he would lead an effort to roll back the media access if the "privilege" is abused.

"If they abuse the privilege, we can cause them to lose the privilege," he declared, pointing out that the Pennsylvania Legislature struck a similar provision after a newspaper published a list of permit holders.

Sen. Steve Austria seconded this warning, adding that publishing the names of license-holders would be the exact kind of abuse they're referrring to, since publishing these names would threaten the safety of the very men and women who have chosen to bear arms for self-defense.

"I don't think we need to worry about journalists doing their job," state Sen. Marc Dann, a Youngstown area Democrat, told Mr. Aslanides.

Rep. Aslanides has already expressed interest in modifying the law to correct this abuse. Sens. Austria and Dann have not, as far as we are aware, provided public comment in the wake of these newspapers' actions. All three men are up for re-election this November.

It is time, honorable legislators - it is past time.
 
I believe (but am not sure) they post in the paper who got their Concealed Carry Permits around where I live, too... Been doing it for the longest time
 
This is just wrong.

We need links, email address, mailing address for all news media from the Editor on down responsible for printing names of us who legally Conceal Carry in Ohio. If we can't make it a sticky then we at least can add the info in this thread.

I would like the chance to send a letter to all those that wish to publicize my name as though I were some kind of criminal.

I'll be back later to edit/add the information on the Warren Ohio paper thats doing the same thing.
 
While its not real nice..whats wrong with publishing public info?

There are people who get CCW permits because they are afraid for their lives and being stalked by people. Publishing this list lets potential attackers know that the person they are stalking is armed, and even the county that they reside in if they were trying to keep that information from their stalker.

It IS public information.

No it is not public information. The law does provide for the media to have access to the lists so that they can make sure that the law is being implemented fairly. However, if the Sheriff provides this information to a person that is not a member of the media, it's a felony. The law assumes that the media will use the information responsibly, which is an unreasonable expectation. However our govenor demanded that this provision be included in the law, and the state congress didn't want to make him veto it, even though they likely had the votes to override the veto.

There's already an investigation of a sheriff and newspaper where the Sheriff released the street addresses of the permit holders, which is not allowed by law, and the newspaper published them. A special prosecutor has been assigned in that case, and it's being investigated.

AFAIK it does NOT violate the law (but I could be wrong).

It's definately in the grey area, and while obviously not what the law explicityly allows the information to be used for, I very much doubt that they could be successfully prosecuted or sued for this. I may have to find out, because my name will be among those printed.
 
According to the law, name and age may be released to law enforcement and journalists for the purposes of investigation only.

Why journalists are included is a mystery.

Addresses may NOT be released to either. Publishing the addresses is illegal. The circumstances under which the names and ages were obtained is questionable as there is not an open investigation against all of the CCW holders.

The Plain Dealer will likely find itself slapped with a civil suit, if not a criminal one. Although, IIRC, Ohioans for Concealed Carry were at one time looking into taking out ads in competitve papers and printing the names and addresses of particular members of the Plain Dealer staff.

Curiously, it seems at least one of the management employees of the Plain Dealer holds a CCW and his information was notably absent from the list as published.
 
No good S.O.*'s!

It is sad the exent that these people will go to.

Not sure how to retaliate. Maybe ensure that every pro-gun person drops them a line and cancels their subscription.

Or, get a lawyer. Even if they don't win much/anything maybe they can stop such future behavior.

I know everytime the Baltimore slime call me about a subcription I tell them that once their censorship of gun ads is gone I may consider buying their rag, till them. No way.

It's a sad situation.
 
I know I have called him. This was in the post above-

The editor of the Cleveland believes in open records. Thus he should certainly have no problem with OFCC publishing his home address and telephone number:

Douglas Clifton
19 Shoreby Dr.
Cleveland, OH 44108-1161
Tel.: (216) 761-6577
 
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I thought the whole point of CHL was CONCEALED. Yer pretty much not concealed if you are labled in a newspaper article... and since its my contention that many CHL holders would generally have more than one firearm in the house - a ripe target if that is the intention of the criminal. Lets keep hoping that criminals aren't well read.

I'm sure the intent to give media the privliage was to add a check and balance - say for instance if something when wrong w/ the approval process and someone who shouldn't have a CHL had one according to the by-laws of that state. (or someone w/ a proven track record of violating peoples rights via violence etc)

Is the whole newspaper anti or what? Surely someone could have seen what this was actually doing. Most law abiding citizens aren't even going to notice the list, just like most don't bother to look at the known sex offenders site... its the one's who have a particular intrest in knowing where firearms are that would be the danger =(

bah

J/Tharg!
 
I'm mulling over a letter to the editor that I think (hope) will stun them into realizing their stupidity....

I'll post it when I get it nearly finished for comments.
 
Legal or not, the actions of that horrid newspaper are immoral at best. I'm not much for violence, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the newspaper staff's homes were violated after their info is published somewhere. Would serve them right - they intentionally put good people in harm's way simply because they are mean spirited, poor losers, and well, idiots.
 
Any Ohio residents who would like some suggestions from a former journalist in finding the addresses, phones, etc. of the Plain Dealer staff are encouraged to send me a PM.
 
the lengths that some folks will use their 1st amendment rights to deprive others of their 2nd amendment rights...........sad and ironic:banghead:





nero
 
There's always the court house records of property owned, garnishments, judgements to unpaid creditors, overdue tax liens and all kinds of other public info.

Remember that that decison was made by management not necessarily the lower ranking employees.
 
Some of the compromises added to acheive the OHIO law are ridiculous and dangerous, i.e. visible carry while in/on vehicle - in car...on motorcycle. They seem to have an organized CCW group staying on top of things.

The Cleveland paper (assuming it's the Plain Dealer who editorially opposed the proposed CCW legislation) obviously has done this with secondary motives to influence the current case of the other newspaper publishing CCW names.

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I'm not much for violence, but I wouldn't shed a tear if the newspaper staff's homes were violated after their info is published somewhere. Would serve them right -
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While I share your outrage, violence in lieu of legal process is not the answer - especially from us gunowners. The decison to publish this freedom of information to assist burglars and assailants was made by a "few" top dogs and not the "staff" in general.
 
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