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Which should be my next purchase?

  • 1887

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • 1897

    Votes: 17 37.8%

  • Saiga 12

    Votes: 23 51.1%
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I'm in the market for a new shotgun. I'm currently torn between three. A Norinco 1887 replica, a 1897 replica, and a Saiga 12. The basic purpose is just fun, but I might try and do some not so serious hunting. I already have dedicated hunting shotguns though, so if none are ideal, I probably won't use them (or will and simply not bag anything).

EDIT: Since all three are within $100 of each other, I didn't mention a budget, but I know converting a Saiga would be about $200 more.
 
Saiga 12. It only cost me 100 bucks to convert mine, but I did it myself. Took about 3 hours with a cheap-o knock-off Dremel tool and a hammer and punches. Looks good. Definitely worth the effort. Just remember, get the $40 'Gunfixr' plug, and it'll eat any ammo you feed it.
 
What is "fun" to you?

Some people can shoot watermelons with shotguns over and over, and still think it's fun.

That's not me. A gun good for nothing else would just sit in the safe.
 
If you wanna hunt with it, the Saiga comes with a magazine plug that can allow you to have the 3-shot limit for slugs, as may be required in your state for deer. In Ohio, it's slugs only, and 3 shots max. Since they all come with a side rail for a scope mount, you could feasibly put a 4x scope on it and do some hunting at respectable distances. Just gotta sight it in for the slugs you'll be using.
 
Back in the day my friend kept telling me about all the great pheasent shooting along the Korean DMZ because there was "no one hunting there". No I did not lecture him, nor tell him why the hunting was 'so good', but I did not accompany him either.
PPL aint buying recreational firearms now days for the same reason you don't hunt birds along the DMZ.
 
What's your purpose? Of those you listed, to someone like me that hunts birds and shoots clays, NONE of those would even be considered, even as a truck chock......more info gets you better answers
 
What's your purpose? Of those you listed, to someone like me that hunts birds and shoots clays, NONE of those would even be considered, even as a truck chock......more info gets you better answers
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The general purpose would be something neat and fun to shoot. Something I can go off onto a piece of state land and just dump some shells through. Maybe CAS/3 gun (no such activities in my area that I'm aware of though), but mostly this is just a fun gun.
 
Guess I am too old to understand the
Something I can go off onto a piece of state land and just dump some shells through
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stuff..................personally, I like shooting hundreds of clays at sporting, even with a field gun.........but that is just me I guess................
 
Guess I am too old to understand the
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Something I can go off onto a piece of state land and just dump some shells through
stuff..................personally, I like shooting hundreds of clays at sporting, even with a field gun.........but that is just me I guess................
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To each his own :)
 
I voted for the 1897 because I do not like how many people have discovered the S12.

I won't buy anything Chicom.
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I bet you buy so much stuff that is "chicom" that it is not even funny.
 
...general purpose would be something neat and fun to shoot. Something I can go off onto a piece of state land and just dump some shells through.
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Okay, well, that's why I voted for the choice I previously posted. What shotgun doesn't fit that bill?
Maybe CAS/3 gun (no such activities in my area that I'm aware of though), but mostly this is just a fun gun.
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Two things...
  • What's your 'area'? Because I will bet cash-money that there is a CAS or 3gun group/range near you.
  • But also, what ArmedBear said... "just a fun gun"... are you certain that you don't own anything like that already?
 
I bet you buy so much stuff that is "chicom" that it is not even funny.
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The snark is unwarranted and not appreciated, nor is the assertion correct. I am extremely careful to check country of origin and have found that there is almost always an alternative. It may not be USA made, but it ain't Chinese. Taiwan is a US friendly nation that manufactures almost as much of your everyday goods as China. Yeah, it slows down shopping, sometimes costs a good bit more and occasionally means that I just live without a certain item. But I'm dedicated to not supporting our enemy.

I've always tried to buy made in USA, but the utter hatred of chicom stuff is more recent. So yeah, there's some china made stuff around the house. But it was all bought years ago, before the current situation.
 
But I'm dedicated to not supporting our enemy.
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I take it you do not believe in economic peace theory. More to the point however, you truly think that if it is not stamped made in China it is not Chinese stuff? How wonderfully naive. I hope you are careful to check where components of things (as well as chemicals that make those components or even the entire product come from) that you buy are made as well. Further, have you researched who owns (in part or whole) the companies you purchase from? There is an ever increasin number of Chinese owned "American companies" they stamp their stuff made in the USA but money is going to China. That is only manufacturing. The Chinese have ownership in many US companies in other sectors as well, food, finance, etc. When the economy went south and the dollar weakened there was a Chinese buying spree of US companies. So I will repeat, I bet you buy so much stuff that is "chicom" that its not even funny. I'll add what is funny is how unaware of it you seem to be despite dedication and a concerted effort not to.

Do what ever makes you feel good (no matter how misguided it may or may not be) but if you are going to be dedicated to it I hope you are being consistent.

Also if you are so dead set on not supporting "our enemies" have you stopped purchasing gasoline?
 
Play nice, folks.

A couple points here....

The Winchester shotgun that the 87 is modeled on failed to impress owners at a time when lever action RIFLES could not be made fast enough to meet demand.

The 97 is a proven winner is design, but the clones seem to vary somewhat in quality. A good one can be found, but how many frogs would you have to kiss before a prince appears?

That Saiga I tested was barrelofmonkeys fun to shoot and handle.

I'd go with that.....
 
I take it you do not believe in economic peace theory. More to the point however, you truly think that if it is not stamped made in China it is not Chinese stuff? How wonderfully naive. I hope you are careful to check where components of things (as well as chemicals that make those components or even the entire product come from) that you buy are made as well. Further, have you researched who owns (in part or whole) the companies you purchase from? There is an ever increasin number of Chinese owned "American companies" they stamp their stuff made in the USA but money is going to China. That is only manufacturing. The Chinese have ownership in many US companies in other sectors as well, food, finance, etc. When the economy went south and the dollar weakened there was a Chinese buying spree of US companies. So I will repeat, I bet you buy so much stuff that is "chicom" that its not even funny. I'll add what is funny is how unaware of it you seem to be despite dedication and a concerted effort not to.

Do what ever makes you feel good (no matter how misguided it may or may not be) but if you are going to be dedicated to it I hope you are being consistent.

Also if you are so dead set on not supporting "our enemies" have you stopped purchasing gasoline?
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Rather than detailing again why you are wrong, I'll just ask this:

What do you think gives you the right to pass judgement on me?

Are you this snide with people in everyday life, or do you save it for use on message boards with cover of anonymity? Because I can't imagine you'd get far dealing with people in this manner in the real world.

BTW, the FTC guidlines for labeling country of origin, especially "made in USA" labels are pretty clear. It's not foolproof, but it's the best we've got, and so are forced to put stock in it. Companies who have misled the public have lost millions in class action lawsuits, so I'm inclined to think that most will abide by those rules. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm
 
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Play nice, folks.

A couple points here....

The Winchester shotgun that the 87 is modeled on failed to impress owners at a time when lever action RIFLES could not be made fast enough to meet demand.

The 97 is a proven winner is design, but the clones seem to vary somewhat in quality. A good one can be found, but how many frogs would you have to kiss before a prince appears?

That Saiga I tested was barrelofmonkeys fun to shoot and handle.

I'd go with that.....
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Thank you Dave.
 
BTW, the FTC guidlines for labeling country of origin, especially "made in USA" labels are pretty clear. It's not foolproof, but it's the best we've got, and so are forced to put stock in it. Companies who have misled the public have lost millions in class action lawsuits, so I'm inclined to think that most will abide by those rules. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm
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Nothing about those rules contradicts anything I posted. To wit: A Chinese owned company making things in the US would comply. Purchasing those made in the USA products would be sending money to China.

A company that uses raw materials sourced from a Chinese company to produce a US made product could comply in certain circumstances. You would be sending money to China.

A company using Chinese produced components can in certain circumstances still label the end product made in the USA and yet there would be money going to China.

If you do not check for all of these things before making a purchase you cannot tell me that you aren't buying Chinese stuff. Sorry but that is a fact. I also highly doubt you are giving the necessary diligence to track companies, parent companies, and their various owners to see if their are Chinese interest benefiting from your purchase.

Again this is just manufacturing. What banks and other finance industry companies do you do business? China has notable ownership in some of the big ones. Doing business with these companies is sending money to China.

Like I say if you feel that what your doing is right then good on you keep it up. Just be aware of all the avenues whereby your dollars can go to China.
 
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