George P
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Sounds more like it is Walmart's corporate policy after the mass shooting incident
NICS Delay on Purchase at Walmart
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I doubt that you can find a FFL anywhere that would transfer based on a CCW permit.
FlSwampRat
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Some states have additional restrictions on top of ATF.
"Florida statute requires a completed background check before a Federal Firearm Licensee (FFL) may transfer a firearm to a non-licensed person."
Meaning if the FFL doesn't get a "proceed" things are not going to move forward with the transaction.
Some national stores will sometimes have a national policy that incorporates the most restrictive rules that apply anywhere in order to have cohesive corporate policy. I am not saying that this is what WM's policy is, however. The crazy thing is the patchwork quilt of laws that apply depending on what state, or even, in some cases, what county you're in.
https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs3.aspx
.308 Norma
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Huh??? Either I don't understand what you're talking about, or you've never bought a gun in Idaho. I could list the names of at least a dozen FFL dealers in Idaho that my wife and I have bought guns from since we've had our CCW permits, and they all transferred the guns to us based on our permits rather than phone-in background checks - including Cabela's/Bass Pro and Sportsman's Warehouse many times over.
But like I said, maybe I don't understand what you're talking about. So I repeat - Huh???
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Howland937
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I'm thinking your assessment of corporate policy is probably what's going on. Would make sense that way, and based on what info I've received from the management. Didn't they used to call the waiting period a "cooling off" period? I think I'm about there on this deal...
WestKentucky
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The number is not an issue. I just got 4 revolvers at once about a week ago and it was the standard process. LGS called it in and in about 2 minutes I got a “proceed” with associated confirmation number. Since I know a guy from my hometown with the same name and same middle initial (who is very likely prohibited) I do use my social security number. It seems to speed things up occasionally.
WestKentucky
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Kentucky has a similar legal setup. I was only once able to buy with that though because the state did something weird and had all of the small FFLs scared to not do a background check. Some of them claimed insurance carriers wouldn’t insure them without doing it, others said it was policy of their investors, ad nauseum, but the point still remained that only 1 time did I get to hand over my CCP and take immediate possession.
FlSwampRat
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Yes, the concept was if you were mad at your neighbor you couldn't go to the LGS and buy a gun, come home and whack them.And as originally written, if you have a gun or twelve, you could just buy another without the need to "cool off". Say you had several center fire handguns and wanted a .22 to plink with you could go buy it and take it home.
Then they changed it to a "waiting period". No explanation required.
dogtown tom
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<-----you would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wrong.
Dealers in twenty five states eagerly accept a state firearm permit as an exemption to the FBI NICS check.
They do here in Texas.
herrwalther
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I get delayed on about 90% of my purchases. Most chains I have run into (Walmart, Academy etc) typically won't transfer unless they have a clear proceed. Even though the Brady law does not forbid transfers after 3 business days. Chains that cover multiple states will often enact a stricter than federal policy. Give them a week, maybe 2 before checking on the transfer status. If they still won't do a transfer, get a refund if you have paid for the rifles already. Really all you can do.
Alabama did as well for a few months. The ATF determined that the background check for a permit was sufficient for buying a firearm. Then they discovered some county sheriffs were issuing permits without checks, so it was rescinded.
Alabama did as well for a few months. The ATF determined that the background check for a permit was sufficient for buying a firearm. Then they discovered some county sheriffs were issuing permits without checks, so it was rescinded.
Regarding FFL honoring CCW , here in Wisconsin a carry permit is good for 5 years. The reasoning , as I understand it , is that an individual could have been hit with a restraining order or some other disqualifier in that interval , thus the requirement for a background check at time of purchase.
I thought that was a universal standard , but apparently I was wrong.
I stand corrected.
I thought that was a universal standard , but apparently I was wrong.
I stand corrected.
entropy
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Walmart will not proceed with the sale unless they get a 'proceed'; simple as that. Protesting it will fall on deaf ears.
No, it was the policy long before that.
newfalguy101
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For what its worth, Wallybarf is hardly the only FFL holders that wont transfer without a proceed..its more common than you might want to believe
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Howland937
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Learn something new all the time. Walmart manager just called and said theyd received "authorization to proceed". His exact words.
You'll find that there are significant variations in this sort of thing between states. Always worth checking into it before assuming other states operate the same way as yours.
Here in Ohio, our permits are also good for 5 years, and it's legal and common for a CHL to be accepted in place of a BC. Not all stores do it, but many do.
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....and it all went down within the three days. Glad to hear you weren't denied. Here in Wisconsin, FFLs use the NICS for long guns and shotguns. Most of the time the charge for this is included with the sale price of the firearm. For Handguns tho, they have to use the DOJ's Crime Information Bureau - Handgun Hotline. This, most FFL's charge for, generally $15. There is also a 5 day proceed/deny period for this, unlike the three day period for the standard NICS. Still, I have never had to wait more than 15-20 minutes to be approved. My LGS, because of the wait times for proceed/deny in the past during panic buying sprees, charges for the State BGC up front. Seems they got stuck in the past with either a deny or folks leaving the store and finding another gun at a different store and not coming back. So now, for handgun purchases only, you pay the $15 and then if you get a proceed, you can get the handgun transferred. If you get denied, you are out $15.
dogtown tom
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Which is sad, considering FBI NICS is a free service, toll free call or web check. States that are Points Of Contact are charging the dealer (who in turn charges the prospective buyer a fee for a service that the FBI provides FOR FREE.
bassjam
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I just picked up an FFL transfer from my LGS Monday with just a CCW permit and form 4473. No background check required here in Ohio.
bassjam
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I never said they were required to transfer. I just said they're being weird. Which they are.
newfalguy101
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Weird...Maybe....but as I posted earlier, not completing the transaction without a proceed is more common than many people believe.
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Howland937
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This is my first ever delay, first ever Walmart gun purchase, and first time since having a CHL that it took more than 10 minutes from the time I said I DO. Probably like was mentioned before, a Walmart corporate policy design.
That's been my experience as well. Now to not entirely blow the budget on optics. Glad I don't have to wait for that too...
bearcreek said:
"Always worth checking into it before assuming other states operate the same way as yours."
This : "..... I thought that was a universal standard , but apparently I was wrong.
I stand corrected."
would indicate that I get that.
"Always worth checking into it before assuming other states operate the same way as yours."
This : "..... I thought that was a universal standard , but apparently I was wrong.
I stand corrected."
would indicate that I get that.
brunowbe
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My NICS check yesterday at my LGS for a new wheel gun took the time to call, give my info, and a thank you very much. Less than a couple of minutes. It’s got to be that it’s Walmart.
buck460XVR
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The way I understand it, as explained to me by the owner of the LGS, is that Wisconsin only uses the FBI NICS for long guns and shotguns....thus, for most FFLs, no charge to the customer. For handguns, the background check is performed by the State DOJ and is, supposedly, more detailed and involved than the FBI NICS. This is why they have a 5 day period to respond. This is the charge the gun shops pass along, when one buys a handgun. Funny thing is, it's the same DOJ that issues us our CWC license, using the same background checking system. Thus one wonders why our CWC ID number/card, as long as it is valid, would not suffice.
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