NJ Judge Upholds a Person's Right to Own a Handgun

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Don't know if this is a dupe or not. Pretty strange for NJ.

Handgun conviction thrown out on appeal
Two-judge panel orders new trial on two counts for Somerset man involved in altercation
Friday, June 10, 2005
BY MATTHEW REILLY
Star-Ledger Staff
A state appeals court yesterday overturned the conviction of a Somerset County man for illegal weapons possession because the gun, though illegally obtained and allegedly fired during an altercation, was in his possession while he was at home.

Ryan Quatrevingt was convicted of unlawful possession of a handgun, possession of a handgun for an unlawful purpose and aggravated assault. He was sentenced to seven years in prison, including a three-year minimum before parole eligibility.

The two-judge appeals panel reversed his conviction on the first count and ordered a new trial on the second and third count.

"The statute clearly states and our Supreme Court has clearly held 'one may possess an unlicensed handgun at home,'" the court wrote, citing a previous state Supreme Court ruling. The exemption from prosecution applies even if the gun has been obtained illegally, the appeals court ruled.

"'The means of acquisition of a gun and its actual or ultimate uses are, if not irrelevant, not determinative of whether a regulatory offense has occurred,'" the court wrote, citing the prior high court ruling.

Gregory R. Mueller, who represented Quatrevingt on the appeal, said the case law had been unclear on that point.

"There is an exemption in the law that says if you possess a gun, even without a permit, on your own property or premises, that's not illegal," Mueller said. "Would that apply if somebody acquired the gun illegally? The appellate court held that it still applies."

Court documents gave the following account of the incident:

Quatrevingt was charged following a fight that broke out between his girlfriend and his former girlfriend, Amanda Mujsce, on Nov. 27, 2002. Mujsce was home from California visiting her family in Berkeley Heights and planning to go out with her friends when Quatrevingt, whom she had dated for five years, called her and asked her to stop by his home in Warren Township.

Mujsce and a friend stopped at Quatrevingt's house. His girlfriend, Trysha Dozier, came out and a fight started between Dozier and Mujsce. After both fell to the ground, Dozier went into the house and Quatrevingt allegedly pointed a gun at Mujsce, yelled at her and punched her in the face. She then kicked him in the jaw and got to her feet.

"As Amanda got up, she saw a flash and heard a gun fire," court papers said. She wasn't hit. Mujsce then tried to call a friend on her cell phone, but Quatrevingt allegedly took the phone from her. She saw a white Lexus pull into the driveway, and the defendant threw an object into the car, which then pulled away.

Both Mujsce and Quatrevingt were brought in for questioning about the incident. Quatrevingt gave police a statement, but never mentioned that he had a gun or that he had fired it, a point that was brought up by the prosecution during his trial and cited by the appellate court in reversing his conviction.

"The state argued that the defendant's theory of the case at trial could not be truthful because he failed to disclose the existence of the weapon during police questioning," the appeals court wrote. "This is a violation of defendant's privilege against self-incrimination."



Matthew Reilly works in the Hunterdon County bureau. He may be reached at [email protected] or (908) 782-8326.
 
"There is an exemption in the law that says if you possess a gun, even without a permit, on your own property or premises, that's not illegal,"

That's how NJ law is structured: posession of a firearm IS PRESUMED UNLAWFUL.

YOU must DEMONSTRATE that one of the few SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS applies to YOUR SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.

The "posess in your own home" exemption is one of the few that has no additional qualifications on it, (not even the FID!) and is the cornerstone of the judicial contention that all the rest of the poop doesn't Infringe. (As I understand it, everytime someone brings up any variety of Infringement argument, the judge points to this exemption and says, "because this exemption exists, your rights are not Infringed, but no exemption exists for your circumstances", then bangs his gavel and sends the guy to jail.)

All this court said was that a specific exemption existed in the specific circumstances.

It did _not_ uphold a right to own a handgun.
 
Hi All-

Sounds like a bunch of real winners in this story!

Let's get this straight:
Ryan Quatrevingt and his girlfriend Trysha Dozier live in Warren, NJ, which is semi-rural. He then invites his old girlfriend Amanda Mujsce (who is visiting from California) to stop by so they can pal around like the good old days. :what:

A catfight occurs between the two women, so Ryan punches his old girlfriend in the face and then takes a shot at her with a handgun? Gee, that's a good way to treat invited guests...not to mention an innovative technique to win friends and influence people.

Based on their extremely primitive grasp of what is acceptable behavior, my guess is that these three people probably voted for Jim McGreevey to be governor at some point. :neener:

~ Blue Jays ~
 
That's how NJ law is structured: posession of a firearm IS PRESUMED UNLAWFUL.
Ditto NY, which plainly states that simple possession of a firearm is a misdemeanor - then proceeds into a complex array of enhancements and exemptions.

Knock down that one line from NY law (by arguing it violates the 2nd Amendment, which NY civil rights law explicitly recognizes, ergo NY has no excuse in denying the "shall/cannot be infringed" bit) and the whole horrible mess of NY gun laws collapses.
 
Geek is right and the possession charge was just a pile-on in this case any way (an eazy to prove charge that disproportionately ups the stakes). It seems that this guy alreadly committed enough real (violent) crimes to be charged with. The problem is that the law (or at least the punishment) for assault, etc. is soft and he would be back on the street in days. but charge him with a big, bad, evil gun possession charge and he'll do hard time.

As a lawyer and a citizen, I think this is way out of whack. aybe I'm just becoming libertarian in my middle age.
 
"He was attacked by his unarmed ex-girlfriend and was in fear for his life ......"

"He was attacked by his dinner guest and was in fear for his life ....."

"His ex-girlfriend threw a punch at him and ........."

"Knowing a single punch could kill him ........."

Somehow, these popular self defense claims go out the window.
 
Just a note for the ladies that would fight over a man out there:

As a general rule, most decent men aren't attracted to the toughest, butchest, Iron Man woman--it isn't like we say, "you beat her in fisticuffs, I choose you."

While we appreciate a self-sufficient woman, we're more interested in your appreciation of firearms! :evil: (well, assuming you don't bring those to a cat fight over a man!)

Is it illegal to be a Baptist in NJ? (See how stupid that sounds--but for too many sheep its perfectly reasonable to ask "Is it illegal to buy a handgun in NJ".)
 
That's how NJ law is structured: posession of a firearm IS PRESUMED UNLAWFUL.

YOU must DEMONSTRATE that one of the few SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS applies to YOUR SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.

You hit the nail on the head. Here in Nazi Jersey a gun owner is considered to be a criminal who is temporarily being allowed to "get away with it".
 
as the person in this thread figured its my right to respond

as you who are part of this nation you must already know, police reports are not always right and the justice that courts dish out are sometimes faultered.. during this trial prosacutor misconduct, judicial misconduct, and evidence for the defence was illegally thrown out the supposed victim told 4 different stories on the stand, and the fact that in black and white the law states these exemptions are there to protect OUR 2nd amendment rights to bear arms... and no i never pointed a weapon and yes i had one, but noone said or reported that the alleged victim drove her car down the driveway in a attemp to run me down or the personal damage down to the residence with said vehicle or the fact that after the two females were seperated the handgun was pasted off to someone else who left the residence.... c'mon people do you really believe everything you read or do you question the facts reported by this court which has no state funding and railroads people into prison time anyway they can to further fund an elect prejudice officals and law breaking officals.. do anyone of you have intelligence or do you take in whatever is thrown at you while you drool in you goverment induced como?? yes this is a break thru that YOU CAN HAVE A WEAPON at your residence or business WITHOUT A PERMIT.. the real question that should have been asked is "BEFORE I APPEALED THIS FLAUDULENT SENTENCE OF A 7YR MAX 3YR MIN. HOW MANY PEOPLE BEFORE ME WHO WERE MISINFORMDED OF THIS EXEMPTION WENT TO PRISON OR SERVED OUTRAGIOUS SENTENCES FOR POSSESION OF A WEAPON FOR DEFENCE.. cause in all this you must recognize I WAS CHARGED ILLEGALLY, INDICTED ILLEGALLY, AND BROUGHT TO TRIAL ILLEGALLY CHARGED!!!!! by appealing this trial if i helped anyone else to stop this illegal process of mis-justice than my 16 months in prison waiting for appeal was worth it........... and for you close minded people who judge those from a court transcript where i had no statment entry, just like the president for entering us into an illegal war you should be ASHAMED
 
...I WAS CHARGED ILLEGALLY, INDICTED ILLEGALLY, AND BROUGHT TO TRIAL ILLEGALLY CHARGED!...

Been there done that.

Many here have their head in the sand but it's not their fault. They haven't had their turn yet in our "justice" system. The odds don't favor them ever experiencing it considering the limited number of criminal authorities and the fact that there are almost a half billion people for them to feed off. What are the odds, right? Some are destined to see the light but only after it is too late to matter. Can't say they weren't warned, eh?

Oh well, glad to hear you beat the rap and are getting another chance. It would be better if it was over though. Unlikely things will turn out any better than last time in my opinion. The system is still rigged against you. Good luck though.
 
Sounds real to me.

And if his story is true (which actually sounds worse than the one in the press!) and if his future charges ever include domestic violence, it is truly possible that he may be disallowed from possessing a gun for the rest of his life. In or out of his home. It would be best to find a new lifestyle and rediscover the responsibilities that accompany our natural rights.

Best of luck to you, friend. I hope you find the peace your soul seeks.
 
THREAD NECROMANCY ALERT!!!!!!


Hadn't noticed that but prison time can strip a person of everything they ever owned. Takes a while to get back on your feet. I'm glad to hear someone speak up for themselves even if it does take 5 years. We usually NEVER get to hear the other side of the story.
 
Quick Google search brought this up. Sounds like we got a winner!

Warren Township man is due in court after drug bust
By Paul Cox/The Star-Ledger
April 03, 2008, 7:37AM
A Warren Township man is scheduled to appear in Superior Court in Elizabeth Friday on charges he kicked a police officer in the groin as he attempted to escape the officer's grasp and dump a sock filled with cocaine, police said.

Ryan Quatrevingt, 29, of Mountain Avenue, is facing charges of drug possession, aggravated assault on a police officer, hindering apprehension and resisting arrest, said Sgt. Frank Fortunato.

On Thursday, shortly before 6 p.m., Quatrevingt was waiting at a bus stop on Plainfield Avenue when Sgt. Robert Deitch went to talk to him. Deitch detected the smell of marijuana on Quatrevingt's clothing, prompting the officer to request to inspect the man's backpack, Fortunato said, noting that the search was done with Quatrevingt's consent.

During the search, Deitch came across a tightly-knotted sock, all rolled up, Fortunato said. As he started to examine it, Quatrevingt "lunges towards the sergeant, grabs the sock and starts running away across Plainfield Avenue," Fortunato said. Deitch tackled him across the street near a sewer grate; and as the two struggled, with Quatrevingt ripping open the sock and attempting to dump the cocaine, "the sergeant got kicked in the groin ," Fortunato said.
 
Unless there are many Ryan Quatrevingts and it's a case of mistaken identity, this can't bode well for his future ability to possess a gun in his own home.
 
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