No Gun Control

[rugerman07]

I SAY,...NO GUN CONTROL!

I think the only requirement to purchase firearms should be:

1.) You must be a U.S. Citizen
2.) You must have a valid drivers license or state issued I.D.

NO MORE F.O.I.D. CARDS:

When you purchase a gun from an FFL dealer, he can use your drivers license or state issued I.D. to call the state police to verify that you have no outstanding arrest warrants against you and that your not a fugitive on the run. There should be NO record kept of your firearm purchase.

NO MORE ATF FORM 4473:

Form 4473 is a direct violation of the second ammendment.

If you have been convicted of any past felonies or misdemeanor's and have paid your debt to society and are free to walk the streets, you should be able to legally purchase a gun. There should be NO waiting periods on your firearm purchase, nor should there be any records kept by the ATF on your firearm purchase.

MENTAL ILLNESS/ILLEGAL DRUG USE:

These are without a doubt the two most ridiculous questions asked on form 4473. Does our government/ATF really think someone is going to answers these two questions, YES? The truth of the matter is, they couldn't come up with enough sensible questions to ask, so they added these two.

CONCEALED CARRY:

1.) If you can legally buy a gun you should be able to carry a concealed gun.
2.) NO more restrictive state laws. You should be able to carry a concealed gun anywhere you go in the United States.

CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS:

YES, you should have to complete a firearm course to get a concealed carry permit. You need to know what constitutes the use of deadly force and you should be very familiar with your gun, (know how to use it). Even law enforcement officers have to take this course.

 

[pacodelahoya]

You need to move out of Ill annoy.

Welcome to THR.

 

[helpless]

It should be the same as drivers license. You can own all the cars you want but you cant drive on public roads unless you are qualified. There shouldn't be a regulation on what kind and quantity of firearm people can own.

Again this is with out to much thought so someone might jump my case on it.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Helpless, I don't think you'll get much arguement from anyone on this board.

 

[PotatoJudge]

1.) You must be a U.S. Citizen
2.) You must have a valid drivers license or state issued I.D.

Why? Especially #1. Do non-citizens not have the same creator endowed unalienable rights?

YES, you should have to complete a firearm course to get a concealed carry permit. You need to know what constitutes the use of deadly force and you should be very familiar with your gun, (know how to use it). Even law enforcement officers have to take this course.

Should? Yes, have to, no. "Have to" is a form of infringing on the unalienable right to bear arms. You want Pelosi to have to power to regulate these courses? This is gun control.

And welcome to THR.

 

[rugerman07]

QUOTE: You need to move out of Ill annoy.

You got that right. I don't know which is worse, having BLAGOJEVICH as governor or mayor DALEY telling him how to run the state. :banghead:

 

[rugerman07]

QUOTE: 1.) You must be a U.S. Citizen
2.) You must have a valid drivers license or state issued I.D.

Why? Especially #1. Do non-citizens not have the same creator endowed unalienable rights?


Quote:
YES, you should have to complete a firearm course to get a concealed carry permit. You need to know what constitutes the use of deadly force and you should be very familiar with your gun, (know how to use it). Even law enforcement officers have to take this course.

Should? Yes, have to, no. "Have to" is a form of infringing on the unalienable right to bear arms. You want Pelosi to have to power to regulate these courses? This is gun control. End Quote:

I'm not claiming to have all the answers here, just stating my opinion. And NO, I don't want PELOSI or anyone else having any power to regulate our right to own firearms and concealed carry in any way whatsoever.

 

[Fosbery]

1.) You must be a U.S. Citizen

Please remove

 

[PotatoJudge]

And NO, I don't want PELOSI or anyone else having any power to regulate our right to own firearms and concealed carry in any way whatsoever.

Me either, it's how to do that that's the hard part.

Sorry to use the "P" word on you, by the way.

 

[rugerman07]

Quote: Please remove End Quote:

If you intend to live in the United States you need to become a U.S. citizen. What reason would you have for not becoming a citizen?

 

[THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR]

Yes, again, move out of 'Ill annoy' and move here to Vermont. What you described is even more strict than our gun laws, except for the 4473.

 

[NeoSpud]

It takes a lot of time and money, for one.

 

[rugerman07]

GEEZ...,I was looking to make some friends here! LOL!

 

[alucard0822]

CONCEALED CARRY:

1.) If you can legally buy a gun you should be able to carry a concealed gun.
2.) NO more restrictive state laws. You should be able to carry a concealed gun anywhere you go in the United States.

CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS:

YES, you should have to complete a firearm course to get a concealed carry permit. You need to know what constitutes the use of deadly force and you should be very familiar with your gun, (know how to use it). Even law enforcement officers have to take this course.

Welcome to THR, good points, we might have to wait untill the global warming=NY, MD, CA underwater. I don't understand these two points though, they seem to contradict, hope you could clear em up. I think being that LEO's are professional crime fighters, and respond to reports of violence, I think it would make sense for them to recieve a different training than CCW carriers, who are more interested in defense and trying to avoid violent encounters.

I agree that all that should be needed is a way to show citizenship/legal immigrant status, and that you are not a fugitive or violating a condition of parole/probation. what you buy, where you buy, and where/if you carry are your buisness, not the .gov's Too bad we eat our own sometimes, your statements only put you in the top 10% of the population as far as free gun owerspip is concerned, for some thats not enough. but hey im just a friendly sort of person.

 

[AntiqueCollector]

I think you're on the right track, but, firstly, I'll say, being a U.S. citizen should not be required. Why? One shouldn't have to be a U.S. (federal govt.) citizen to be in this country, state citizen is fine (did I mention I hate the federal govt.?). Legally in this country, yes, federal (U.S) citizen no. I see no reason why a foreign visitor should not have the right to self defense here, if they are here legally.

Lastly, I'm against any permit required for conceal carry. It's a right, not a privelege. Rights cannot be licensed. VT and AK don't require permits or classes, and neither is swimming in blood...

As for a class, see above...

Regardless, welcome to the site, and I hope you manage to escape Il to a free state.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Rugerman07:
1.) You must be a U.S. Citizen
2.) You must have a valid drivers license or state issued I.D.

The Bill of Rights does not state that these rights are given specifically to U.S. citizens. And you need a form of ID? Why? Isn't this essentially the same as the dreadful FOID card? So now you just want another form of ID to buy a gun?

As for the training requirement? Well lets pretend that I agree with that. I am a huge anti-gunner. Unfortunately for you the majority of Illinois citizens voted me in and I get to set the requirements for the training.

How about in order to carry a firearm concealed you need to shoot a course of 10,000 bullets and get a perfect score. Of course the targets will be 1 mile away and you are only allowed to use a handgun. But you can spot through your spotter scope.

As for the training requirement you want to be able to go through to buy a gun that itself is a license of sort, just with another name.

So if a Carbondale cop pulls you over and finds a firearm he may ask where your certificate of training is so that he can verify you have the ability to carry a gun. In addition to that he asks for a valid ID so that you can verify that you own the gun legally. Unfortunately you left your wallet with both of these things sitting on the dresser in your room.

 

[helpless]

Helpless, I don't think you'll get much arguement from anyone on this board.

like I said I didnt give it much thought. What part are you referring to?

 

[freakazoid]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Notice it doesn't say that only Americans are created equal. I am against anything that would limit my unalienable rights. You shouldn't have to be a US citizen to own a firearm, same thing with simply living here.

 

[Avenger29]

The only requirement for you to purchase whatever firearm your little heart desires should be the money. Simple as that.

 

[Cuda]

How about some good old fashion criminal control.

Leave our RIGHTS alone..

C

 

[Fosbery]

If you intend to live in the United States you need to become a U.S. citizen. What reason would you have for not becoming a citizen?

Didn't say I intended to live in the USA

But even if I did, it would be a pain in the ass and a long while before I became a citizen. Shouldn't I be able to defend myself in the intervening period (between arriving on a visa/greencard and getting citizenship?)? I know people who've lived (legally) in the USA for years (might even be decades now, I'll have to check) but arn't citizens.

 

[Autolycus]

Gaining citizenship is not an easy ordeal. Most people do not understand that it is not very easy to gain citizenship as it should be or as it once was.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Helpless,

There shouldn't be a regulation on what kind and quantity of firearm people can own.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I am not going to say that I feel only citizens should be allowed to own guns, but I do agree with those that say every here in the US should be here legally. Personally I believe that all illegals should be picked up and sent back. The last thing we should be doing is rewarding criminal behavior. We criticize gun-grabbers for being weak on punishing criminals. I do find a lot of hypocrisy in this criticism if we ourselves condone extending rights to those here illegally rather then punish their crime by sending them home and demanding the come her legally.

 

[tasco 74]

cuda said it all...........................we do need more criminal control and less threats to our constitutional rights............