No Indictment in Shooting Prompts Concern

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Gee...did they have to go THERE??? If the shoot was clean, so be it. If not, charges are warranted.

IMHO, gettin beat about the head with a metal bar might prompt me to ponder the use of deadly force... :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050615...QMAxQBH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-


No Indictment in Shooting Prompts Concern

Wed Jun 15, 3:25 PM ET

Black leaders in this Denver suburb pushed for stricter gun laws and other changes after a grand jury declined to indict a white man in the fatal shooting of a black man.

A grand jury said last week that Glen Eichstedt, 52, acted in self-defense when he shot Aaron Davis, 39, and wounded his wife, Benita Coleman-Davis, 37. The grand jury's report said Davis, a postal worker, beat Eichstedt on the head with a metal bar during the Nov. 13 confrontation over a dented car door in a video store parking lot.

"Right now, the black community is devastated," the Rev. Acen Phillips, of American Churches United, said Tuesday.

Aurora Police Chief Terry Jones said race wasn't a factor in the shooting. He said Eichstedt held a permit to carry a concealed handgun and a district attorney determined there was no probable cause to arrest Eichstedt.

In a statement released through his attorney, Eichstedt called the death and wounding an "indescribable tragedy."

But Phillips said some blacks in Aurora believe that if a black man had killed a white man and wounded a white woman, the gunman would have been charged with murder.

He and other religious and community leaders have begun organizing a coalition of to push for more thorough background checks and mandatory training for gun owners.

The Rev. Larry Brown of Lowry Community Christian Church said he would like to see state law changed to allow authorities to reveal the race and gender of grand jury members. Authorities have declined to reveal the composition of the grand jury that heard Eichstedt's case.

"Instead of an us-versus-them mentality, we should all sit down and come together," he said. "We're all in the same boat. It's time for us to fix the holes in the boat and set sail."
 
A good shoot. The family of the deceased should pick up the tab for the grand jury and the assault victim's medical bills too.
 
A grand jury said last week that Glen Eichstedt, 52, acted in self-defense when he shot Aaron Davis, 39, and wounded his wife, Benita Coleman-Davis, 37. The grand jury's report said Davis, a postal worker, beat Eichstedt on the head with a metal bar during the Nov. 13 confrontation over a dented car door in a video store parking lot.
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Hmm, sounds like a good shoot to me. Yes, it's a shame that someone had to be killed, but he WAS beating another man in the head with a metal bar. If that doesn't count as being "threatened with death or great bodily harm" I don't know what does.

Doesn't sound racially motivated at all...
 
The shoot seesm to be clean, indeed. What chaps me is a) the playing of race card, and b) the "but if"...scenario.


Like I said, if someone commenced to taking a metal pipe to my head- I'd probably shoot, too.
 
Putting on my racist hat....

Well, not really. I learned decades ago that skin color was just another checkoff on the "what did the subject look like" sheet....

What's interesting, if not downright silly, here is that the Black "leadership" is complaining that the white shooter wasn't charged with murder.

This can't do their cause any good at all....

A good shooting (which this appears to have been) isn't murder. Whether it's a Black shooter and a white victim, or vice versa. The racial makeup of the Grand Jury is irrelevant if the facts are as stated.

Jumping off the deep end under these circumstances merely tells the rednecks that they're right.... :cuss:

Only the most bigoted anti-self-defense types would want that indictment....

(Or, wait for it, just plain bigots.... :eek: )
 
My head - metal bar - I most assuredly am likely to claim I am in fear of my life!!! Sheesh - and someone argues that??

One solid blow and it's cranial fracture time and possible sub dural haematoma - I ain't gonna wait and see what another blow does - I would have little option (if NOT able to retreat) to answer in any way I could - and if that means my gun, so be it.

Damn the color issue - it is and should not be relevant - it is one ''person'' defending against another ''person'' - period. :rolleyes: :(
 
"Instead of an us-versus-them mentality, we should all sit down and come together," he said. "We're all in the same boat. It's time for us to fix the holes in the boat and set sail."
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Maybe the race card players could start by understanding that attacking people with steel bars is no way to behave in the boat.
 
What the black community is trying to say is: Black people have an inalienable right to beat non-black people over the head with metal bars. :rolleyes:

Similar to black people deserve monetary reparations from everyone that isn't black including 1st generation immigrants that have never even seen a negro until coming to the US, much less owned an african slave. :barf:
 
Ahh yes, the old bit of false logic: Post hoc, propter hoc. Its so old, its in Latin :D . Choice of people with no logical basis for argument. Emotions and logic don't mix.
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I try and try to not be racist, i know all humans are just that- humans.

But when a certain person of a certain race is accused of race crimes anytime they do a single justifiable thing it really starts to piss me off after a while.

This is the third such case od a race crime in the past month ive heard of. One was a series of murders in which some of them were black, another was the guy who shot a cop and fled to mexico, and now this.

And they wonder why issues of race come up.... :banghead:
 
"Black Leaders" and Klansmen ... only difference is the color of their skin.


Thing is, the more "out there" they get the better because they will drive the black folk who can think for themselves farther and farther away from the DNC.


The real problem is the liberal white folk who run the Newspapers and TV News who give these racists their credibility by printing their crap.


KriegHund (and others), don't fall for the leftist media fed lie that the majority of black people agree with these "Black Leaders".

Think how most blacks who hear this must feel ... they must be embarrassed to have these schmucks speaking in their name.
 
From the news article:
"Eichstedt held a permit to carry a concealed handgun..."

"He and other religious and community leaders have begun organizing a coalition of to push for more thorough background checks and mandatory training for gun owners."
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Per the Colorado info at http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/colorado , both a background check AND proof of firearms training are required for a Colorado concealed carry permit.
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Seems to me the various community and religious demagogues...errr, LEADERS- in Colorado need to get a clue, instead of spouting half- cocked nannyninny nonsense.
 
white man in the fatal shooting of a black man.
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To many people, particularly activists, this is the only relevant part of this entire situation. Might as well stop reading here because this is the ONLY part that matters. :banghead:
 
How ironic! Gun control was used to disarm African-Americans, but now African-Americans (or at least their "leaders" [why do Blacks have to be lead but no one else?]) want to use "gun control" to disarm Whites so that Blacks may beat them over the head with metal bars.

That'll work! *sheesh*
 
One hasto wondder why?

Why didnt he shot him in the arm or shoot the pipe out of the man hand? And why did he have to go and shoot the women? If thios had been black gun verses white pipe he would be in jail for miurder! If those poeple had shot back agaist the Klan on November 3, 1976 THEY would have gotten covvicted for murder, but not white poeple or non-anarcrhist.

Trurth and Reconciliation!
 
That was sarcasm right, ncleo?

Want to know what keeps racism alive in this country more than anything else? Crap like this. Gives the real racists something to talk about and makes the rest of us sit back and wonder...
 
Want to know what keeps racism alive in this country more than anything else? Crap like this. Gives the real racists something to talk about and makes the rest of us sit back and wonder...
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Yup! When "the black community" defends creeps and thugs who commit violent crimes and/or get themselves killed, only pisses off those of us with some amount of common sense and gives perceived legitimacy to racists like the KKK.
 
That was sarcasm right, ncleo?
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No, ncleo is a troll and not joking.

Edited to add something constructive:

Eichstedt wasn't originally going to be charged but these "black leaders" protested, then out of political pressures, charges were filed.
 
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