No Indictment in Shooting Prompts Concern

[nico]

A quick search confirms what scottgun said. There should be a spelling test for trolls. I think this one is too busy foaming at the mouth to even put a logical thought together.

 

[Desertdog]

But Phillips said some blacks in Aurora believe that if a black man had killed a white man and wounded a white woman, the gunman would have been charged with murder.

I doubt it; if the white man was beating the black man over the head with a pipe.

IMHO, that remark just shows the Black Leaders are racist.

 

[GRB]

While race may not have been a factor in the shooting it certainly seems to be a factor in the cries of outrage. Racists comne in all colors including black. To say 'The black community is outraged' over such a shooting is, in my opinion, about as racist as one can get if the facts as reported are correct. Happens all the time.

 

[grimjaw]

Not enough details in the report for me to judge. I did find a more balanced view of the incident in the local news though.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3331908,00.html

From a different article:

"Everyone in the black community knows that if a black man shoots a white couple in a public parking lot in a fight over a dinged car door the black man goes to jail," said community activist Shareef Aleem.

Should read, "Everyone in the community knows that if a man shoots someone attacking him in a public parking lot, the courts will recognize his right to defend himself."

Fact: argument starts over vehicle damage. Who started the argument? Don't know.

Fact: man hits another man in head with metal pipe. Could Eichstedt have escaped at that point or called the police? Don't know.

Common sense for a CCW license holder seems to say avoid confrontation. Maybe the situation could have been avoided, maybe not. The people who did have access to all the facts (courts and grand jury) decided in favor or Eichstedt.

Very tragic that the incident got out of control, and that a woman who appears to have originally tried to stand between the two men was shot.

Says Davis was killed with two shots to the torso area with a .38 Special.

jmm

 

[scottgun]

Should read, "Everyone in the community knows that if a man shoots someone attacking him in a public parking lot, the courts will recognize his right to defend himself."

Fact: argument starts over vehicle damage. Who started the argument? Don't know.

Fact: man hits another man in head with metal pipe. Could Eichstedt have escaped at that point or called the police? Don't know.

I have been following this incident since it occurred back in November. I have also read the Grand Jury report which includes eye witness statements (which differ significantly). I'll find the link if anyone is interested. So here's my assessment on the facts you are uncertain about.

The argument was started and escalated by Eichstedt. Eichstedt's car door dinged Coleman-Davis' door. Coleman-Davis said there was damage. Eichstedt claimed there wasn't any damange. Eichstedt called Coleman-Davis a "little-man" (edited) , both begun shouting and arguing.

Could Eichstedt have escaped, no. After he was hit by the pipe he was knocked to the ground, and surrounded by the husband and wife. At which point he drew his .38 from his pocet and fired 4 shots. 2 hitting the husband 2 hitting the wife.

Although I read in another article after the initial blow to the head with pipe, Eichstedt turned and walked away, then Coleman-Davis moved towards him with the pipe in hand. I'm not sure if this preceeded being knocked to the ground. In either case Eichstedt sustained serious head wounds which required stitches and he now has permanent brain damage.

Every report of this incident has been slightly different, however given that either of the two scenarios occurred after Eichstedt was hit with the pipe, I believe he was completely justified. The courts agreed.

This case doesn't set a shining expample for CCW holders. But it's too easy to second judge without being in the situation.

 

[BeLikeTrey]

What would've been really damning...

is if the report messed up and swapped the race and you have "black leaders" applauding the shoot as righteous and then say oops we were wrong and the races were swapped by accident. I bet the same shoot to THEM is now not a righteous shoot. I have never been proven wrong in this one fact usually the ones who scream about racism are the most racist people you have ever met. :banghead:

 

[scottgun]

The grand jury report for those who are interested:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2005/0609/20050609_015724_grandjury0609.pdf

 

[Desertdog]

if the report messed up and swapped the race and you have "black leaders" applauding the shoot as righteous

What I wonder is; why report what the race of either person?
IMHO there is no reason to say what the race/s are involved. Report that John Doe got into a altercation with Jack Doe and then report what happened. Leave the race out of the story, as race doesn't matter.

 

[insidious_calm]

I'm surprised

After reading the grand jury's report, I'm surprised an indictment was not brought. If the neutral witnesses are to be believed then the shooter clearly escaleted this conflict. The statement "I can kill you, right here right now." cannot be construed as anything but antagonistic. Ancillary to that statement are allegations that he pushed the other man "into his wife" first. That means he initiated the transition from verbal to physical.


Did I miss something?


I.C.

 

[KnightHawk67]

Maybe he did jack it up a notch, then the other fella picked up the pipe. If pipe dude didn't see a weapon before he grabbed the pipe, I think he would get the "dinger" for bringing weapons into a verbal confrontation.

Just my thoughts on it anyway.

 

[BeLikeTrey]

Ddog

In a perfect world...
I agree with you on that,(whole heartedly) but I so love the hypocracy of the "Black Leaders". And take shots at that hypocracy every chance I get. Of course the "Black Leaders" would be out of jobs if they didn't FOSTER RACISM. One day people will realize this.

 

[johnster999]

The thing that always makes me chuckle is that these hate mongers so often have "Reverend" in front of their names. That aside...

I wonder what type of bullets were used? Multiple complete penetrations from a .38 special...158gr +p maybe? I noted that in one case the examiner couldn't tell the entry and exit wound apart. Maybe they were fmjs?

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