Brigrat
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I know I like my jetfire, and I was seriously looking at getting another, as my wife has recently staked her claim to mine.
No more Jetfires..
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Badger Arms
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Nice pictures, Brad. Don't know if that is your site, but there are some pretty guns there. I went to the web site and pulled a bunch for my compiled collection. I love 25's and own the CZ Duo, Z, and CZ45 (a safetyless CZ36). Note that production of the CZ36 didn't cease and it's still made today as the CZ92 virtually unchanged from the 36 with the exception of the manual safety being omitted.
Herb Fredricksen
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Hi Bad Bad (may I call you Bad Bad?) ;-)
Great info, helps me think straighter if not totally clear. Yes, I saw the open slide as well as the finger rest mag base in those brief Dr No scenes.
Your photos are among the cleanest I've seen, I urge everyone to look at them. Both pistols are Beretta Patent 1919 6.35mm/.25acp model 418's. The www.littlegun.be 418 is date stamped 1955 while mine is stamped 1954 and has a finger rest mag. Is the attachment the same photo?
I also have a Beretta Patent 1919 .25 model 318. The 318 has a convex grip safety while the 418 has a concave grip safety. My 318 has a flat mag base, I really prefer finger rest bases. NAA's optional .32 Guardian finger extension mag bases fit Beretta 1934/35 right off and will fit 318/418 mags with a little fitting. I need to order a few when they go on sale during one of NAA's monthly specials.
Beretta Patent 1919 covers many models so calling any Beretta model only a 1919 can lead to confusion. Best place to see them and understand that situation and my problem trying to collect them all is at this fantastic Italian site (click on English unless you read Italian):
http://gipa.virtualave.net/start.html Every Beretta collector should have it in their Favorites or Bookmarks.
My son-in-law is retired British Special Forces. After he retired he hired out as a private bodyguard to Dodi Fayez/Harrads/London and then embassies until he married my daughter and then moved to the States. When I show him a vest pocket pistol he reminds me they called them Disco Guns and taped the handles to make them thinner and more easily concealed. He and his peers carried such pistols.
Herb Fredricksen
Great info, helps me think straighter if not totally clear. Yes, I saw the open slide as well as the finger rest mag base in those brief Dr No scenes.
Your photos are among the cleanest I've seen, I urge everyone to look at them. Both pistols are Beretta Patent 1919 6.35mm/.25acp model 418's. The www.littlegun.be 418 is date stamped 1955 while mine is stamped 1954 and has a finger rest mag. Is the attachment the same photo?
I also have a Beretta Patent 1919 .25 model 318. The 318 has a convex grip safety while the 418 has a concave grip safety. My 318 has a flat mag base, I really prefer finger rest bases. NAA's optional .32 Guardian finger extension mag bases fit Beretta 1934/35 right off and will fit 318/418 mags with a little fitting. I need to order a few when they go on sale during one of NAA's monthly specials.
Beretta Patent 1919 covers many models so calling any Beretta model only a 1919 can lead to confusion. Best place to see them and understand that situation and my problem trying to collect them all is at this fantastic Italian site (click on English unless you read Italian):
http://gipa.virtualave.net/start.html Every Beretta collector should have it in their Favorites or Bookmarks.
My son-in-law is retired British Special Forces. After he retired he hired out as a private bodyguard to Dodi Fayez/Harrads/London and then embassies until he married my daughter and then moved to the States. When I show him a vest pocket pistol he reminds me they called them Disco Guns and taped the handles to make them thinner and more easily concealed. He and his peers carried such pistols.
Herb Fredricksen
Badger Arms
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HERB: Please post photos. It's much easier to illustrate with photos... plus I want them!
Herb Fredricksen
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Italian/Beretta archive site and photos
Hi Bad Bad, (and Badger Arms)
I wanted to review the Gipa site while I was writing my last post but I didn't dare risk losing my draft by switching sites. Wish I had since going to it afterwards reminded me how pop-up laden it is. I hope the host benefits from the pop-ups because I hate them. They seem to be no more than a nuisance. You need to close each pop-up window without losing the good window, but the value of the pistol listings and the front and rear photos is worth the nuisance. I save the images I want to a folder for each specific pistol I'm tracking. Good site, pop-ups not withstanding.
I'm still stuck with imperfect knowledge on when the .25 1919 Patent pistol changed from model 318 to model 418. Neither the Gipa site nor Gene Gangarosa's Beretta Book answered the question.
George Foreman got away with naming all his boys George but I need different names for my babies. Until I know better I'm calling the convex grip safety model a 318 and the concave grip safety a 418. Love 'em both!
And Badger Arms: I sorely need a digital camera with decent resolution or the smarts on how to get reasonable size images from my scanner. Buying a digicam comes at the cost of buying another C&R (shudder) and learning how to use my scanner would distract me from research I really enjoy. Being male and impractical (do I repeat myself?) leads some of us astray.
Thanks for all the insightful comments,
Herb Fredricksen
Hi Bad Bad, (and Badger Arms)
I wanted to review the Gipa site while I was writing my last post but I didn't dare risk losing my draft by switching sites. Wish I had since going to it afterwards reminded me how pop-up laden it is. I hope the host benefits from the pop-ups because I hate them. They seem to be no more than a nuisance. You need to close each pop-up window without losing the good window, but the value of the pistol listings and the front and rear photos is worth the nuisance. I save the images I want to a folder for each specific pistol I'm tracking. Good site, pop-ups not withstanding.
I'm still stuck with imperfect knowledge on when the .25 1919 Patent pistol changed from model 318 to model 418. Neither the Gipa site nor Gene Gangarosa's Beretta Book answered the question.
George Foreman got away with naming all his boys George but I need different names for my babies. Until I know better I'm calling the convex grip safety model a 318 and the concave grip safety a 418. Love 'em both!
And Badger Arms: I sorely need a digital camera with decent resolution or the smarts on how to get reasonable size images from my scanner. Buying a digicam comes at the cost of buying another C&R (shudder) and learning how to use my scanner would distract me from research I really enjoy. Being male and impractical (do I repeat myself?) leads some of us astray.
Thanks for all the insightful comments,
Herb Fredricksen
Cooter Brown
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Get 'em...
These are good and I might buy one if they had a little more power. There are zillions on the market, even if they stop making them today. I have the same basic gun in a 1950's Beretta Minx in .22 Short in a Desantis pocket holster, that with CCI hollow points seems, to me, to deliver a lot more punch than the .25 acp. Its for last-ditch point blank or preferably "contact" eyeball shots at the most, anyway.
These are good and I might buy one if they had a little more power. There are zillions on the market, even if they stop making them today. I have the same basic gun in a 1950's Beretta Minx in .22 Short in a Desantis pocket holster, that with CCI hollow points seems, to me, to deliver a lot more punch than the .25 acp. Its for last-ditch point blank or preferably "contact" eyeball shots at the most, anyway.
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