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  1. SamTuckerMTNMAN

    SamTuckerMTNMAN Member

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    aren't these guys just your hero's or what? For the OT discussion, do you feel safer with such firepower around? I mean, we don't have to carry anymore if these guys are all over right?

    Decent article too, show of military force to deter would be terrorists, man these guys are on point, really puttin the hammer down on the bad guys. I just wish they'd hurry up and get to my town before it's too late.
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/con...e outside a midtown Manhattan office building.

    (I'm trying to get the picture to work.... :( help appreciated here, I used to know how to do that but...alas....efforts.....futile........

    article HERE (popular mechanics)

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/2818211.html?page=1

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  2. stubbicatt

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    Kee-ripes! I see this in my town and I think the terrorists are attacking!

    Fear is a strong motivator in people. The cops and the "terrorists" are calculating the same reaction in people by their actions. This seems a misguided idea, but then I don't live in NY. If each the "terrorists" and the cops are intending to cause fear and alarm, doesn't that make them both "terrorists?" To rule by fear and intimidation?

    Yeesh!
     
  3. kurtmax

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    I've heard of this before. I'd mainly be concerned about deploying 'SWAT' type teams in places that they aren't needed. Men running around with SMGs is dangerous. It will only take one of them to have an ND during a fake raid to cause trouble.
     
  4. siglite

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    Holy crap...

    I realize this seems tinfoil hat of me, but this reads like the idea is to desensitize residents to raids of this nature. To a potentially coming police state.

    Get the public used to it.

    Going in to various places with machine guns and body armor is just business as usual folks.

    Geeze, I need to lay off the tinfoil.

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    The above is a kneejerk reaction with very little informed opinion.
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    PMX0606SUPER007_large.jpg

    Also, whats a snubnosed shotgun? :D
     
  6. Regolith

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    No, sig, you're somewhat right.

    They're using a show of force to try and scare people into complying with their wishes. Its usually called saber rattling. The fact that this is a state government that is saber rattling towards their own citizens is very scary. Even if their intent is to scare off terrorists, that's not the only people who these tactics will effect.
     
  7. SamTuckerMTNMAN

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    just remember, the kneejerk reaction has saved many a lads from a sudden opening of the head, chest, or abdomen. . . :uhoh:
     
  8. Nolo

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    This is just plain scary.
    What do they think they're doing?
    Scaring terrorists to not blow up stuff?
    Any person who walks by could plant something or do other heinous things and they wouldn't do anything about it.
    This is creepy...
    I want to move to Alaska now.
     
  9. Nolo

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    Those helmets look familiar...
     
  10. ptmmatssc

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    I was wondering the same thing .

    I guess i need to be fitted for my hat soon since that's how I perceive it also .
     
  11. rocket lad

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    Don't feel bad - I thought the exact same thing.
     
  12. Gunnerpalace

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    Lets look at it another way this WILL dissuade the petty criminal and terrorist but this brings up the question if a die hard show up with a bomb will they stop him or start the "lets talk about it" nonsense? Anyone?
     
  13. Mainsail

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    Yet another reason open carry is good. I wonder what their reaction would be to a few WA, AZ, OH, or VA folks watching while openly carrying a sidearm.
     
  14. Noxx

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    If nothing else, at least they are exercising some basic trigger discipline.
     
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    So, the police are running around the city without uniforms, driving unmarked vehicles, toting carbines.

    In an armed state, such as AZ, seems like this kind of thing could lead to problems. Say a guy who wants to be a hero sees an SUV pull up at a bank. 4 guys in body armor jump out, with rifles and shotguns. Our hero gets his SHTF rifle out and starts shooting, believing he is witnessing a robbery in progress or terrorist attack.

    I think he would be stupid, but morally in the right. How can you determine who is the good guy and who is the bad guy when they dress and act the same? Is there any difference when the good guys start using the same tactics as the bad guys?

    c2k
     
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    Oh look, stormtroopers.
    Terrorists took over airplanes with boxcutters. They motored an inflatable raft up to the USS Cole. Anyone with a Chief's special could have taken them out. Good thing we are arming up for war at home. Do they get fancy arm bands with their own insignia?
     
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    One of my favorite television quotes:

     
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    This is scary. I can't fathom what the powers that be in NY are thinking. Not only scary but dangerious as well.
     
  19. Jdude

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    Add one more to the tinfoil crowd.

    I have a firm belief that 'feets on the streets' is the best way to combat crime. But these guys just seem to be there for the state sponsored thuggery.
     
  20. Baba Louie

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    Short barrel scattergun, i.e., "in the absence of any evidence" Supreme Court not saying that a sawed off shotgun had any relationship to the militia... one of those I'd bet. See Derek Zeanah's thread over in "Legal", making certain to watch Naomi Wolf's 46 minute video linked therein. (She did do her homework I will say)

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=320148

    Then come back to rethink Sam's linked article on SuperCop/Hercules team. Or private contractor's in New Orleans. While I don't come to the same conclusion as Ms Wolf vis a vis impeachment, I do think a message to those elected and a grassroots movement restoring our Constitutional democratic Republic with it's built in checks and balances is about due...

    And while it's nice to think of "no need to carry anymore..." I don't feel any safer with men in black sporting snub-nosed shotguns or men in redcoats sporting Brown Bess muskets... do you? Tin foil or no. ;)
     
  21. Feanaro

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    My tinfoil beanie is firmly attached.

    The terrorists aren't invading our Wal-Marts armed with AK-47s. They prefer more cost effective methods, like blowing things up or sending white powder through the mail. I'm much more concerned about the police than I am about terrorists.
     
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    "What's going on?" she asks, clearly alarmed.

    "It's a counterterrorism exercise, ma'am," Walsh says. "Nothing's wrong."

    The woman's face slackens with relief. "Nothing's wrong? Great!" "

    ^one of the scariest parts of the article, that there are citizens who are completely placated by this...

    Now where did my tin foil go....
     
  23. S&Wfan

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    We don't need 'em down here in Georgia to control a terrorist attack.

    Naawww . . . most decent citizens down here grew up in the country hunting and fishing. We know how to shoot and many are legally "packin" . . . and if a terrorist starts some stuff down here they won't go too far before someone ends the problem with a head shot.

    I agree though, that this is a good point for open carry . . . AND for concealed carry by the HONEST CITIZENS of this great land who happen to live in NYC too! Too bad the "solution" to the local politicians is to create a military police state instead.

    The citified version of Barney Fife strutting around in black with fully automatic "poodle guns" and lots of extra ammo ain't 'zacktly my idea of a free society. Plus, spraying those FMJ .223 rounds all over the place in 3-shot bursts MAY just hit quite a few honest citizens.

    The "State" has way too much power already over it's "subjects" up in Clinton/Gulianni/Obama-land . . . and has effectively disarmed the "good guys" in many large cities of the North.

    Power corrupts . . . and disarming honest citizens who will protect our free nation if necessary, and replacing them with a militaristic police-state is NOT a wise idea if we want to continue to be a free country.

    T.
     
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    I'm not a tinfoiler, but I can read a dictionary.
    And their goal is...
    So who are the terrorists now?
     
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