Wrong.
You limited yourself to a certain area, that is your choice, there are other choices, you simply chose it wasn't worth driving farther to get to any of the other choices.
"NO RELOADS!" at new gun range... really?
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Wrong.
You limited yourself to a certain area, that is your choice, there are other choices, you simply chose it wasn't worth driving farther to get to any of the other choices.
oneounceload
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Exactly my point. If I do not want to shoot at the local indoor range (with the same rules), I drive almost 60 miles to an outdoor range at my sporting clays course. You do what you need to do in order to do it your way
jcwit
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Being as neither of us know the financial position of anyone here and the price of gas being 3/4 dollars a gallon distance traveled is not to be judged by others.
I'm lucky, I have a 100 position covered range 5 miles from my front door, both small bore & center fire, no restrictions as far as reloads.
Also have another range 1/2 hour from my house, cement benches and 200 yd. covered range, also 60 position covered pistol range, also no restrictions regarding reloads.
Both ranges I'm grandfathered into.
Life is good.
Oh Ya, I'm also a member of our local indoor range, 15 miles from my house.
Stories of ranges like that bug me, follow the safety rules and that's all you need. None of this 3 second rules, no reloads, handgun only night, rifle only night, etc.
You would think if there are no 'normal' ranges around then someone could offer up some decent competition to places like these by opening one.
You would think if there are no 'normal' ranges around then someone could offer up some decent competition to places like these by opening one.
This no reloads mess could be all because of insurance regulations and prices but I certainly don't know that. Remember that the gumbit and the gun grabbers have decided that death by a thousand cuts is still death. They regulate your enough and you will stop shooting eventually. That's their hope anyway.
Dang I'm glad I live in America. I'm talking the "real" America where people still believe in this country and they don't think they have to prove their own worth by fixing the world. We have too many of those people here of course but the good guys are still the majority. I know what they think of us "provincial" types. I think "they" are the provincial ones personally. I'll probably get to live out my life under American ways of doing things but it's going to be close. I've seen some problems affecting my life for 35 years or more (about the time the hippies started gaining political power - it actually wasn't the real hippies btw - it was the people that presumed to speak for everyone like the Bill Ayers types who would jump up in front of any crowd and act like he was the leader of it - mostly he got booed a lot).
But remember there is a place where American values are still popular and it covers a pretty big area. I've been the Charlotte area often enough to know the self appointed control freaks dominate too much there. My BIL has a condo there and if you even whispered to someone past 9 pm they had the homeowners ass. down on you. It seems like the more you pay for a place the less freedom you have there. He lives right on Lake Norman, has a big boat to cruise the lake in (at 70 mph) and a slip that costs more per year than it cost me to build my house. The people living there are the worst when it comes to wanting to tell everyone else how to live. Dang I'm glad I live in Ameirca.
Dang I'm glad I live in America. I'm talking the "real" America where people still believe in this country and they don't think they have to prove their own worth by fixing the world. We have too many of those people here of course but the good guys are still the majority. I know what they think of us "provincial" types. I think "they" are the provincial ones personally. I'll probably get to live out my life under American ways of doing things but it's going to be close. I've seen some problems affecting my life for 35 years or more (about the time the hippies started gaining political power - it actually wasn't the real hippies btw - it was the people that presumed to speak for everyone like the Bill Ayers types who would jump up in front of any crowd and act like he was the leader of it - mostly he got booed a lot).
But remember there is a place where American values are still popular and it covers a pretty big area. I've been the Charlotte area often enough to know the self appointed control freaks dominate too much there. My BIL has a condo there and if you even whispered to someone past 9 pm they had the homeowners ass. down on you. It seems like the more you pay for a place the less freedom you have there. He lives right on Lake Norman, has a big boat to cruise the lake in (at 70 mph) and a slip that costs more per year than it cost me to build my house. The people living there are the worst when it comes to wanting to tell everyone else how to live. Dang I'm glad I live in Ameirca.
Their range, their rules. That said, I just don't shoot at ranges where I can't shoot my choice of ammo (to include reloads) in my gun, nor do I shoot at ranges where I can't pick up my own brass. I paid for it, & it's mine.
I feel for those that must travel many miles to shoot.
I would not shoot where those two rules(No reloads and no brass recovery) were in effect.
I'm fortunate to belong to a pistol club that is indoors, well ventilated and heated. Just about everyone reloads around here. I couldn't afford to shoot much if I did not reload.
I would not shoot where those two rules(No reloads and no brass recovery) were in effect.
I'm fortunate to belong to a pistol club that is indoors, well ventilated and heated. Just about everyone reloads around here. I couldn't afford to shoot much if I did not reload.
I was kind of irked recently when I went to pick up a new gun at a local small range/store. I wanted to test it out but knew they didn't allow the steel case/bimetal stuff due to their signage, and that I have had my ammo checked before with a magnet. As with some of these places, ammo is 2x the normal price, so I went and found some brass-cased 7.62x39 (which of course was itself outrageous even at walmart) so I just got one box. When I got to the range I asked for some range ammo from them so naturally he handed over a box of steel cased tula?!!?? Go figure
kitsapshooter
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You are not breaking the rules when you carry in Starbucks. They have only ask their customers do not carry in their stores.
Lex Luthier
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That is the norm at every corporate gun range in MN. I wouldn't waste my money there anyway. AND, it probably wouldn't matter if you did tell them why you are boycotting them.
My range is on my property so I don't have a lot of rules.
Question. I store factory ammo in ziplock bags inside ammo cans as this takes up far less space than the factory boxes. I also store reloads the same way. Each baggie has either the end of the factory box or some other way of identifying the ammo (handwritten for reloads). Could this range tell the difference and do anything about it or are they just posting it for insurance regulations and not worrying about it?
Businesses have rules for a reason and those rules are seldom just thrown out there for the heck of it. That doesn't mean it is what I consider a valid reason. Just look at all the major chains that have enacted "rules" regarding carrying weapons. Target, Chipotle and many others have made business decisions that I personally do not agree with. I refuse to do business with those companies and I regularly send emails voicing my displeasure. I have scanned receipts from other stores and sent them to Target. $650 to Walmart. $325 to Kohls for clothes. Does it do any good? Probably not but it's what I can do.
Ask the range why they have the rule. My guess is insurance which is probably their single largest expense though I have never owned a range so I don't know their cost structure. Maybe if they find they are losing business because of the rule they can get with their insurance carrier and get an additional rider because they can gain additional business to offset the additional costs?
Question. I store factory ammo in ziplock bags inside ammo cans as this takes up far less space than the factory boxes. I also store reloads the same way. Each baggie has either the end of the factory box or some other way of identifying the ammo (handwritten for reloads). Could this range tell the difference and do anything about it or are they just posting it for insurance regulations and not worrying about it?
Businesses have rules for a reason and those rules are seldom just thrown out there for the heck of it. That doesn't mean it is what I consider a valid reason. Just look at all the major chains that have enacted "rules" regarding carrying weapons. Target, Chipotle and many others have made business decisions that I personally do not agree with. I refuse to do business with those companies and I regularly send emails voicing my displeasure. I have scanned receipts from other stores and sent them to Target. $650 to Walmart. $325 to Kohls for clothes. Does it do any good? Probably not but it's what I can do.
Ask the range why they have the rule. My guess is insurance which is probably their single largest expense though I have never owned a range so I don't know their cost structure. Maybe if they find they are losing business because of the rule they can get with their insurance carrier and get an additional rider because they can gain additional business to offset the additional costs?
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You can call it what you want, but it's doing something that Starbucks has asked we not do.
I just don't go into Starbucks anymore, personally. Give them my money? Ha! Don't think so.
All of the hypothetical situations people have posited about distracted reloaders, can happen with distracted shooters and factory ammo. I've seen people load up .40 S&W in a magazine for a .45 ACP. I've heard people shooting the wrong rifle ammo is a gun...possibly with a bullet diameter larger than bore diameter.
Has anyone heard of a range that requires they load your magazines before you shoot?
All I shoot is reloads..so I wouldn't patronize them, and I would hope enough other people would avoid them as well and encourage them to change their rules.
Has anyone heard of a range that requires they load your magazines before you shoot?
All I shoot is reloads..so I wouldn't patronize them, and I would hope enough other people would avoid them as well and encourage them to change their rules.
TenDriver
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I knew there would be a wave of posts from reloaders or handloaders who would wig out.
I'm not critical of all reloaders/handloaders. I'm sure many are safe, use proper methods & follow all the guidelines but I'm not going to dispute a range owner or gun club's SOP to not allow reloads/hand-loads.
I don't agree with #83. It's being anti-gun or anti-2A either,.
Some people do get distractions or are lax.
If every firearm you ever shoot or own uses reloads/hand-loads with 0 problems or flaws then great. I've seen in my years(about 25 or so) around guns that reloads can & often do have problems.
FWIW; even factory made ammunition can have misfires or issues, but as posted, if a gun club or gun shop-range refuses the reloaded stuff that's okay.
Sir, you couldn't have been more condescending with your posts if you tried, as the EXACT same assumptions can and should be made of the perfect strangers you're sharing the range with.
Vern Humphrey
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The only poster I see wigging out is a guy named Rusty Shackleford.
I can see the thinking for no reloads at an indoor pistol range with close quarters. My range is all outdoors and if we tried to enforce that rule, we would have to eliminate our rifle competitions. Many competitors bring their portable reloading equipment with them and adjust loads on the spot. Most of our rifle shooting members reload. Our rule about brass is that if you leave it for 24 hours, it becomes fair game for anyone, but it never become property of the club....which seems silly to me.
HighExpert
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I solved it many years ago in Orlando when a fancy new range opened up. They said factory ammo only which cd nothing for the lead factor. I got an FFL for manufacture of ammo. Presto, my reloads were now factory ammo and I could prove it. It worked until their attitude began to show in other ways.
k9kev88
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UPDATE - the range CHANGED their mind
Now this is impressive - a business that listens to its customers and potential customers and adapts. The owners released this statement, which is nice to see.
http://ncgunowners.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=45874
I like a business that is reasonable and listens - that's all most of us ask for...
Now this is impressive - a business that listens to its customers and potential customers and adapts. The owners released this statement, which is nice to see.
http://ncgunowners.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=45874
I like a business that is reasonable and listens - that's all most of us ask for...
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ljnowell
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Great deal!!
Vern Humphrey
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That is indeed impressive. One thing I have noticed over the years is an increasing unwillingness of American business to listen to their customers.
I predict this guy will go far and make money with an attitude like that!
oneounceload
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Good for them for being customer service oriented
It should be a no brainer for a company that has such a narrow focus and limited audience to make such a decision. How long does it take to figure out what your target audience wants when you are a local company? National and international companies will generally err on the side of safety because their target audience is so much larger and more diverse.
Vern Humphrey
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It's rare for any business to listen.
I used to train General Motors engineers. GM contracts with a company to survey the customers -- and they even videotape customers' comments.
Buick was the last company to go from the pushbutton door to the flap type door latch. And their excuse was, "We cater to an older customer and many of them have arthritis and can't use those flaps."
I went to the videos and edited them to show 20 customers all saying the same thing, "I may be the only person in the world with this problem, but I have arthritis and those pushbuttons just kill me. Why can't Buick use flaps like everyone else?"
I used to train General Motors engineers. GM contracts with a company to survey the customers -- and they even videotape customers' comments.
Buick was the last company to go from the pushbutton door to the flap type door latch. And their excuse was, "We cater to an older customer and many of them have arthritis and can't use those flaps."
I went to the videos and edited them to show 20 customers all saying the same thing, "I may be the only person in the world with this problem, but I have arthritis and those pushbuttons just kill me. Why can't Buick use flaps like everyone else?"
Welding Rod
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Reading these 5 pages really makes me realize how fortunate I am. About 10 years ago I moved within a reasonable driving distance, about 30 miles, from an outstanding range complex.
It is private, gated (electric), and has covered positions on concrete slabs to shoot from. Members must be NRA members, and have a mandatory half day safety lesson as part of sign up. Annual memberships only, $150 per year. It's like having private access to your own Park, a park where you can shoot and don't have to worry about people wandering in to the impact area.
The only shooting rules to speak of are no 50 BMG, never close a bolt with a barrel pointed over the berms, and targets must be paper or the steel gongs. I shoot quite a few times per month and have yet to see a yahoo out there or unsafe behavior.
I think back to public ranges I have shot at over the years across the country... For the most part, they prevented shooting from being much fun. Too many Rules / limits due to people without mechanical sense, or the sense to seek out competent gun handling instruction. And almost always crowded. Public land was OK, but a chore to find a place that was isolated, safe, legal, and wouldn't annoy anyone.... Without driving a LONG ways.
If shooting is really your thing and you can't afford your own land (like me) to shoot on, I would encourage you to think about seeking out a nice private range you like and moving near to it. It has made my life much more pleasant. Plus I enjoy the organized competitive shooting events immensely, partaking in 3-5 matches per month.
The idea of moving just to be near a particular range probably sounds extreme, but as a shooting enthusiast I found it really had a significant impact on my quality of life.
It is private, gated (electric), and has covered positions on concrete slabs to shoot from. Members must be NRA members, and have a mandatory half day safety lesson as part of sign up. Annual memberships only, $150 per year. It's like having private access to your own Park, a park where you can shoot and don't have to worry about people wandering in to the impact area.
The only shooting rules to speak of are no 50 BMG, never close a bolt with a barrel pointed over the berms, and targets must be paper or the steel gongs. I shoot quite a few times per month and have yet to see a yahoo out there or unsafe behavior.
I think back to public ranges I have shot at over the years across the country... For the most part, they prevented shooting from being much fun. Too many Rules / limits due to people without mechanical sense, or the sense to seek out competent gun handling instruction. And almost always crowded. Public land was OK, but a chore to find a place that was isolated, safe, legal, and wouldn't annoy anyone.... Without driving a LONG ways.
If shooting is really your thing and you can't afford your own land (like me) to shoot on, I would encourage you to think about seeking out a nice private range you like and moving near to it. It has made my life much more pleasant. Plus I enjoy the organized competitive shooting events immensely, partaking in 3-5 matches per month.
The idea of moving just to be near a particular range probably sounds extreme, but as a shooting enthusiast I found it really had a significant impact on my quality of life.
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