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doubleh
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The fun and games you had to play to become a member were unreasonable. I'm betting that you enjoy your new, close to home, club though.
I have ask, how would you feel if you if you were the person downrange and looked back to see someone handling their gun?
I have ask, how would you feel if you if you were the person downrange and looked back to see someone handling their gun?
I guess my mindset is different. the gun had the bolt out, laying flat in the case and all I did was screw a turret cap back on.
I understand there has to be safety rules but I would be more upset about the guy who yelled at me sitting behind an ar-15 on a bipod while hes sitting on the bench.
I like to shoot alone so I doubt I will shoot when anyone else is there.
I understand there has to be safety rules but I would be more upset about the guy who yelled at me sitting behind an ar-15 on a bipod while hes sitting on the bench.
I like to shoot alone so I doubt I will shoot when anyone else is there.
stonecutter2
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Mind your p's and q's and follow the rules.
If at any time you feel like you're being given grief without reason, leave and never come back.
Sounds a bit like a good ol' boys club, and I'd want nothing to do with that.
Regarding your touching the rifle in any way when the range is cold, I know it's embarrassing and you "weren't doing anything serious" and the gun wasn't loaded etc, but people say that stuff all the time when interviewed by cops after someone is accidentally shot. Respect and obey the rules. I think they could've approached it a lot better with you, but social skills are not always a prerequisite for range officer duties.
Have fun at the club.
stonecutter2
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Also, there is never any reason for anyone to cash a check from someone and then not provide the goods or services. That is outright thievery and not something I tolerate.
The fact that anyone would hold it against you for not getting your money back, or membership in the club, for MONTHS speaks loud and clear as far as their character.
Be wary, but follow the rules and leave if it's not your scene.
The fact that anyone would hold it against you for not getting your money back, or membership in the club, for MONTHS speaks loud and clear as far as their character.
Be wary, but follow the rules and leave if it's not your scene.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and if its not my cup of tea I will find another place. only reason I kept my hat in the ring this long was its cheap and close to home. only public range is 60-80miles one way.
Theohazard
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ohihunter2014 said:
ohihunter2014 said:
I find it alarming that you're still arguing this point. That rule is extremely common: You don't touch your guns when someone is downrange. Period. That's by far the easiest and most effective way to make sure nobody gets shot. Sometimes it's hard to quickly tell if someone is screwing a scope cap back on or playing with the trigger. Therefore, a blanket rule like that makes a lot of sense.ohihunter2014 said:
The guy who yelled at you wasn't touching his guns. You were. You broke the rules. He didn't. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Maybe he was a little harsh, but people are often harsher than normal when people break rules at shooting ranges; the stakes are a lot higher than with most other sports.
You know, when most people break range rules and are scolded for it, they realize their mistake and try to avoid doing that in the future. Instead, you're repeatedly justifying what you did and acting like there was nothing wrong with it. I'm not surprised that some of them seem unsure about having you as a member.
I did avoid doing it after that. Imo there are know it all people and i for one am not that way. As far as them being unsure about giving me a membership the reason I am having so much grief is i was told by a friend they had 3 spots open. I got 2 people to sign for me and one was an officer of the club who said 3 spots open and I would be in the next month turn everything in including the money. 3 months went by and I find out from the friend that several others have gotten in because they were either family or friends of a higher up in the club even though the date I submitted everything I was told no one else applied.
Month 4 my check was cashed and I was told there was no open spots. I asked why the check was cashed then and they said it would be returned to me. I waited another month and was told again no open spots. I asked for my money back again and was told its on the way. I waited another month and still nothing so I contacted them and told them they had 1 week to refund my money or I would be contacting the courts. everyone else was fine with it and was apologetic except the guy who did it. it was also brought up why he let others in when I had money and an application in before them.
This issue would be the only thing that would cause issues for me. the scope turret issue was 3-4 years ago and I doubt the guy remembers me. when I asked him who he thought he was yelling at me like a child and getting in my face he said he was the club treasure or some crap. I have been there several times for their public shoots and seen way worse stuff than that like guys playing wyatt erp seeing how fast they can jerk a loaded handgun from a holster and dump on a target, guys messing with guns while I was down range, guys setting up at the 100yrd mark when I was at 50yards. did I scream at them like a child, did i flaunt my knowledge, training, etc at anyone. NO i just watched what was going on. every rifle behind me had the bolt open or out i made sure of that. if its that bad that someone cant clean up brass and screw a side scope turret back on when the rifle is laying in a case with no bolt then somethings pretty sad. should i have thought twice about it, yes. was there a reason to show what a prick you are by yelling at a grown man because your some gun club hot shot? NO. will it happen again? im sure it will because some guys don't even want you by the bench when they are down range. once im in im having a chat with the president and telling him they need to figure these rules out. when i do the public shoots i see more members doing way worse then putting a cap on then i do non members.
My point is if I had the gun loaded, bolt shut, etc I can see screaming at someone and being a total jerk but he knew I had the bolt out cause he asked why I did it. the point I was getting at before was there is 100 other things to freak out about then someone putting a scope cap on their gun that has no bolt in it, laying in a case that he watched me unload and pack up. he figured oh this is a non member so I'm going to show people how much power I have.
I had to listen to some guy during a public shoot tell me how he trains Israeli style that you got to train like them towl heads that are coming to get us and watching the guy I thought he was going to shoot himself in the leg. and they need to be worried about me LOL.
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Theohazard
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It's fine to be concerned about inconsistent rule enforcement; this range definitely sounds like they have some issues. But the fact remains that you broke a safety rule, and it's a near-universal rule at all ranges across the country.ohihunter2014 said:
And yet you're still trying to justify it, and you're using arguments like, "Other people did worse things, so what I did wasn't a big deal", and, "The gun wasn't loaded." I wouldn't want you shooting at my range either.
Sam1911
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Ok, ok, I think the safety point is made. Now the OP's going to go enjoy shooting at his new club.
Maybe he should simply check back in with us in a few months or a year and let us know how things have gone. I'm going to predict he'll find that he's has smooth sailing from here on.
Maybe he should simply check back in with us in a few months or a year and let us know how things have gone. I'm going to predict he'll find that he's has smooth sailing from here on.
lilguy
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I belong to 2 clubs. One an indoor bullseye club, 37 years , one an outdoor every disapline club, 8 years. Im also a NRA/RSO. Both clubs give us absolute power to shut down a range and expel shooters if warrented. We all have board members and sheriffs phone numbers on speed dial if needed. Safety is everything/
only absolute thing on a gunrange. I dont care if someone is shaken a bit by being called on the carpet for a safety infraction. We all need to be aware all the time.
Since its close, try it for a year and see how it goes,
you can always walk. My outdoor club is a 40 minute drive, more the norm in Chicago subs, so I undestand you hoping this works.
only absolute thing on a gunrange. I dont care if someone is shaken a bit by being called on the carpet for a safety infraction. We all need to be aware all the time.
Since its close, try it for a year and see how it goes,
you can always walk. My outdoor club is a 40 minute drive, more the norm in Chicago subs, so I undestand you hoping this works.
tacmedicp94
Member
Look at it like this, 95% of people at the range will understand that the bolt is out and there is no chance of a ND. But for Jimbo's 3rd cousin and the other 5% they see you messing with your rifle and figure it's ok to mess with theirs. That's how ND's/accident's/deaths whatever happen. Should you have been yelled at? Probably not, there are better ways to handle the situation. The reason the rules are there are for the other 5%. I'm a Paramedic and that 5% is what we call job security.
I apologize if anyone's name is Jimbo. Recently ran a 5%er with that name and it's kind of stuck in my head. No offense meant.
I apologize if anyone's name is Jimbo. Recently ran a 5%er with that name and it's kind of stuck in my head. No offense meant.
Onward Allusion
Member
Get your money back and run away. Sounds like it's poorly managed and is a good old boys club. If you're in, great. If not, you're kinda SOL. I hate places like that. Freakin' junior high mentality.
Aragon
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I have been a member of my club for many years. Two thing stand out:
1.) I was told by someone I deeply respect to enjoy the large, expansive and excellent facilities but to steer very clear of politics. I have followed their advice. The tales I hear about board meetings are disgusting. I do get involved as a range officer at various matches and I have helped BBQ but I stay well clear of the political manure.
2.) When I visit our club's huge public rifle and pistol range I do with some knowledge of the range. Some of the ROs have absolutely no social skills. They clearly get off on denigrating others -- and no, the safety mantra isn't a universal excuse for bad manners.
I am extremely careful when I shoot and I follow all best practices. I am very rarely screwed with by overeager ROs but when it does happen, if I am definitely not at fault, I can be extremely harsh in response.
Good luck with your new club.
1.) I was told by someone I deeply respect to enjoy the large, expansive and excellent facilities but to steer very clear of politics. I have followed their advice. The tales I hear about board meetings are disgusting. I do get involved as a range officer at various matches and I have helped BBQ but I stay well clear of the political manure.
2.) When I visit our club's huge public rifle and pistol range I do with some knowledge of the range. Some of the ROs have absolutely no social skills. They clearly get off on denigrating others -- and no, the safety mantra isn't a universal excuse for bad manners.
I am extremely careful when I shoot and I follow all best practices. I am very rarely screwed with by overeager ROs but when it does happen, if I am definitely not at fault, I can be extremely harsh in response.
Good luck with your new club.
MaterDei
Member
walk away
GBExpat
Member
ohihunter2014, IMO, ignore the gossip, politics and hard-feelings history.
Your new Mantra should be something like:
It is only 10 minutes away, time to go shooting!
During your initial year as a member, decide whether or not any politics or 'tudes that you encounter are worth the convenience of:
It is only 10 minutes away, time to go shooting!
Enjoy!
Your new Mantra should be something like:
It is only 10 minutes away, time to go shooting!
During your initial year as a member, decide whether or not any politics or 'tudes that you encounter are worth the convenience of:
It is only 10 minutes away, time to go shooting!
Enjoy!
You screwed up and he had every right to yell at you. Messing with guns while people are downrange is how people get injured or killed.
Your mindset may not be an appropriate fit or this club.
If I were a member, I would not want to bring in somebody who felt the no-touching guns while people are downrange rule was excessive. I absolutely positively do not want anybody touching their guns when I am downrange, I don't care if they say they are just putting a turret cap back on.
What's wrong with drawing and firing as quickly as possible? That's kind of what real world concealed carry defensive situations might call for.
If all of those safety violations have occurred, notably handling of guns while you are downrange, you have been put at risk of being injured or killed, and it seems to be a pattern.
For your own safety this may not be the club for you.
So it seems that this just isn't the club for you.
PS: You are still justifying messing with your gun while somebody was downrange. I think I might see why somebody was yelling at you...you were probably insistent that you did nothing wrong when, well, you did.
Don't touch any guns when people are downrange, don't accept other people touching guns while you or anybody else is downrange.
Reloadron
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A true indicator of the quality of any gun club is the quality of the apple butter they make to sell every fall.
As to a screw up? It's over and done. There are polite ways to deliver a message and the way a raving attention whore goes about it. Me? I would quietly stroll over and gently remind you that you did a bad. Apparently you were on the receiving end of an attention whore who gets off with authority.
Back to the apple butter, you can always judge a club by its apple butter. Be wary of any club that does not make and sell apple butter.
Ron
As to a screw up? It's over and done. There are polite ways to deliver a message and the way a raving attention whore goes about it. Me? I would quietly stroll over and gently remind you that you did a bad. Apparently you were on the receiving end of an attention whore who gets off with authority.
Back to the apple butter, you can always judge a club by its apple butter. Be wary of any club that does not make and sell apple butter.
Ron
Quietly strolling over to inform somebody after the fact does not do anything about the guy handling his rifle while people are downrange. That is something that needs to be corrected immediately, that is not something for a little friendly chat off the side in a few minutes.
The way I see it, the OP has gone on and on in this thread defending his actions of handling a rifle with people downrange on a cold range...this makes me reasonably believe OP was less than willing to follow good solid safety rules and makes me believe that it wasn't an "attention whore" problem so much as a "the rules don't apply to me" problem.
Handling rifles while people are downrange is deadly serious business.
aarondhgraham
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Oh what the heck, join the club,,,
Oh what the heck, join the club,,,
You can always drop the membership later on.
I would sell my dear sweet sister to the Gypsies to have a place that close to home.
Aarond
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Oh what the heck, join the club,,,
You can always drop the membership later on.
I would sell my dear sweet sister to the Gypsies to have a place that close to home.
Aarond
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