Non-1911 for Bullseye 2700

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I;m thinking about giving 2700 a try. I already have several .22's that would be suitable. I'm not a 1911 guy, nothing wrong with em, just not for me. I was wondering which factory target guns of other designs are suitable. I have been thinking about the :
-Sig 220 Super match
-S&W Performance Center 945 (or 845)
-HK Expert or Match
-revolver?
I certainly dont want to spend a ton of money on a gun thats not competative. What can you tell me about these pistols. Any other non-1911 suggestions?
 
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That's a hard question to answer for a 1911 shooter. A more serious answer would be gotten by reposting your question in the "Competitive Shooting" section below. BTW, I've heard some nice things about the Smith 945, but I'm just not a S&W smiauto fan. :)
 
Well...

If you're concerned about being competitive; there is a reason 99.99% (all?) top shooters use 1911's in "Bullseye".

A revolver will not be competitive in the "rapid fire" strings (although the "rapid" part seems a bit of a joke to an IPSC shooter).

The Sig/S&W/HK's triggers will never equal a tuned 1911, the bore is appreciably higher in relation to the web of your hand as well, etc., etc.

You might try the others you've mentioned, but if you become "serious" about the game I'd be suprised if you don't ultimately end up shooting a 1911.
 
The S&W 845 and 945 are accurate enough, but I never thought they offered anything over a 1911.

A S&W 25-2 revolver can be made to work - IF your timed and rapid fire revolver technique can hack it. Very few people can.

The Pardini? That's got some real potential. I know Don Nygord was an advocate of them. I've handled one, didn't have a chance to shoot it. But it seemed like a decent pistol - and you can get it in a 6-inch version.
 
Well, for centerfire (not .45) there's quite a few options from Pardini and Benelli and the like, essentially their .22 target pistols scaled up to .32 S&W long.

If you're looking for a .45 gun or something you can run for both .45 and Centerfire, there's the 945 as mentioned and the Sig P220 X5/X6, both of which have the inherent mechanical accuracy you need for Bullseye, quality sights, and good triggers. However, I'm not sure how friendly they'd be to shooting offhand, and I don't think anyone makes adjustable palm shelf purpose-built offhand bullseye grips for either, even Nill or Rink. And there's the GT45, as mentioned earlier.

1911s are really the best for this application, though. What do you have against them that you're not willing to give them a try when they are so clearly favored? It would be by far the cheaper way to go, too. With the non-1911 guns mentioned in this thread, you're looking at $1500+ before you start getting reasonable bullseye qualities from the gun, whereas a ~$700 1911 can be perfectly serviceable for a new shooter. It'll take a while for a shooter's skill to develop the point that they see any real benefit from a super-tuned trigger or <4 MOA accuracy, and I'm guessing that if you're wondering if an HK would make a good bullseye gun, you're pretty new to the sport. With a cheaper gun, you're not out as much money if you decide bullseye is not your thing, and if you decide it is, by the time your skill merits a new gun you will have put so many rounds through the old one that the price of the gun is inconsequential.
 
Carbon15,

A "modified" CZ-97B, based on my experience, has the mechanical accuracy to be competitive. A properly modified 97 can put 5 rounds in <.75" @ 25 yards from a rest with the proper ammo. My very best group with my 97 is 5 rounds in 9/16" @ 25 yards. You can achieve this for less than $1,000.00 quite easily. This cost would also include a very crisp trigger with over travel adjustment. The 97 slide will accomodate a Bo-Mar cut, a must for target shooting.

However, I am not recommending it. Your best bet is to stick with the 1911 platform wisely recommended by others.
 
Honestly, I just dont like 1911's. I have never shot them as well as other guns. And if I decide I dont want to stick with bullseye, I dont wanna be stuck with a gun I dont like.
I'm not looking to score the first ever 2700 with an HK, but if these guns have the mechanical accuracy, and I can shoot them well...why the hell not?
I have a Kimber, Colt custom shop .38 super, and a Les Baer Monolith....but I shoot better groups with my Sig 220. I shoot my Glock 19 in Steel Challenge because I like to shoot it even if almost everyone else is shooting 1911's.

If the reason is because no other gun is suitable or competative, then fine. If the reason is "everyone else is doing it" then I will go with something else.

Jason
 
The S&W 945 offers the requisite accuracy. At least the one I owned did. It does feel a lot like a 1911 which seems to be an issue for the OP. I always think of the 945 as S&W's attempt to incorporate the 1911 feel into the 3rd Generation autoloader design. S&W succeeded as the 945 feels like a 1911. But the 945 offers nothing the 1911 does not have. Yes, the swinging link is replaced by a cam, but the 945 spherical barrel bushing just screams 1911. And that bushing's fit to the barrel and slide are a large part of the 945's accuracy potential.
 
I still kick myself for going with the PII instead of the Monolith for my Bullseye gun. That will serve you excellently. From your first post, I was under the impression that you didn't have a .45 and were going to buy one just for the competition. If you already have several, just pick your favorite, whether its the Baer, the 220, or something else and see if you like the competition. It would be kinda silly to buy something like a 220 or an HK for the purposes of Bullseye, but if you already have one, what would it hurt to try? You're not going to win your first time out anyway, and at least for me, competitions are a lot more about fun than they are about winning. If you decide you don't like it, you're not out anything and you didn't have to shoot a gun you didn't like as much, and if you do like it, you've got (in my opinion anyway) a close to ideal gun in your Monolith. Just practice enough with it and get used to it and you'll shoot it as well or better than anything else.
 
Carbon, part of the problem is that a lot of bullseye shooters will go for CMP Distinguished points at some point. Which means shooting a hardball gun, either a 1911 or a M9.

There's an advantage to be had in shooting one gun, or at least one 'feel' of gun, as much as possible. It's why you don't see people shooting three different guns in a 2700. Folks either shoot their .45 as their centerfire gun, or get a .32 that matches their .22 pistol. And a fair number will try to match their .22 and .45 pistols up as much as possible.

That being said, there is nothing wrong in going outside the comfort zone. Just for the weird factor, if nothing else.
 
Is this your LB 1911?
http://www.lesbaer.com/Monohvy.html

It may be a better idea to figure out exactly what you don't like about your 1911 and fix that. There's a reason they're "custom".

I like Glocks as well. It took a while for me to get the thumbs high grip right. I use Ed Brown straight mainspring housings and fullsize regular thickness Sarge's Grips (smooth) to get the right feel. I like Ed Browns large paddle safeties and 10-8 slide stops.

The Sarge's grips helped alot. Thin grips carry nice, but shoot poorly. Sarges wraps over the MSH pin and all the way up and over the plunger tube. I'm thinking about asking him to make a custom "extra thick" set possibly, i have longish fingers.

Warren tactical Sevigney Comp Rear sight like my Glock, and the thinnest possible FO Dawson front sight possible.

I wouldn't give up yet, especially with that LB!
 
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