Non-resident CCW License.

[Big Boy]

First off, sorry if this sort of thing is common knowledge, but this is the first I am hearing of it.

I live in Missouri and am only 21. Missouri requires you to be 23 to get a CCW license from them. Therefore I open carry, I am a supporter of open carry and do it often, but there are times I would like to conceal carry.

Apparently, some states offer non-residential CCW licenses. Can anyone give me more information on this? I've done some reading and apparently MO and several other states honor certain non-resident licenses, Missouri being one of them. So if I get a non-resident license from a state that only requires you to be 21, can I still carry in Missouri where you have to be 23 for their license?

Apparently Ohio, and Florida's non-resident licenses have the most reciprocity with other states.

Any information on the legal side of this, and also the side of how to obtain one would be very appreciated.

 

[HOV]

Yes, other states do offer non-resident permits.

But, some states have laws that preclude their own residents from getting an out of state permit to use in state. Also, other states have laws that prevent another state's NON-resident permit from being used.

To illustrate the second point there, I will use three states that are probably not accurate, so this is for illustration purposes only.

I am a Virginia resident with a Virginia CCW permit, and I decide I want to get a FL non-resident permit so I can carry in states that accepts FL permits but not VA. Let's say that Washington is one of those states.

So I get my FL CCW in the mail. Am I good to carry in WA? Nope, because WA has a law that says its reciprocity applies only to RESIDENT permit holders from the reciprocity states, no non-resident permits will be recognized.

 

[Big Boy]

Yes, I had done some reading on that as well. Certain states only accept primary residency licenses, while others will accept any form of license, then others will only accept licenses from certain states that also match their criteria for obtaining a license, and so on.

It is my understanding that Missouri will in fact accept any form on license. I just want some more information on this, also mainly the 21 vs. 23 issue.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Here is the MO reciprocity statute:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000107.HTM

Endorsement does not authorize concealed firearms, where--penalty for violation.
571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state.

There are no limitations, if's and's or but's. The statute is pretty clear and concise. Well, actually, there is one limitation: the out of state permit must be issued in your name!

 

[Big Boy]

Thank you very much for that link...that pretty much sums it up.

 

[Sam1911]

Apparently Ohio, and Florida's non-resident licenses have the most reciprocity with other states.

Utah's permit is very widely honored as well. Might be the MOST widely reciprocated/recognized.

Check out www.handgunlaw.us, if you haven't already.

 

[fineredmist]

I have a Connecticut permit (resident) and a Florida (non-resident) permit. When I travel to Michigan to visit friends I am covered in Pa. and Ohio with my Fl. permit and in Mi. with my Ct permit. Michigan accepts a Fl. permit issued to a Fl. resident only. Certain states have minimum age requirements for their own residents and that requirement will apply to out of state permits as well.

You can get more detailed information at

http://www.usacarry.com

 

[mgkdrgn]

I can pretty much assure you that YOUR state won't recognize an out of state non-resident CCW in YOUR state. IE, if your state won't give you one, they don't care that Florida (or wherever) will.

 

[Big Boy]

The law states they will.

 

[wildbilll]

You live in MO (or you live somewhere else and you are going to be in MO)
If you hold a valid permit from just about anywhere else, you are good in MO. That is all there is to it. The law is clear.

 

[Big Boy]

I live in Mo.

 

[Jumping Frog]

Apparently Ohio, and Florida's non-resident licenses have the most reciprocity with other states.

Just to clarify, Ohio does not issue non-resident licenses. As previously mentioned, Utah and Florida seems to be the best alternatives.

I can pretty much assure you that YOUR state won't recognize an out of state non-resident CCW in YOUR state.

You are offering opinions off the top of your head with no basis in statute to support them.

 

[JimmyN]

It doesn't matter where your resident/non-resident license is from, you always have to abide by the laws of the state you happen to be standing in.

Since MO says you have to be 23 to conceal carry that would apply no matter what license you hold, resident or a non-resident from another state. If you had a Florida non-resident you could conceal carry in Florida at 21 and many other states, but the MO age restriction of 23 is something you can't get around since that is state law.

 

[Sam1911]

Since MO says you have to be 23 to conceal carry that would apply no matter what license you hold,

Is that what the MO law says, EXACTLY? This is one of those odd places where you have to be extremely careful with what the words are.

If the law says, "No one under the age of 23 may carry a concealed weapon," then you are correct.

BUT, if the law says, "We will not issue a permit to anyone under 23 years of age," then that's ALL it says about age limits. As NavyLT has quoted, they do recognize a "permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state."

There are a great many minor details that one state may require when issuing a permit that another state may not, and yet they may fully reciprocate or recognize the authority that the other state has placed in an individual to carry a weapon.

Age is but one.

For example, DE requires that citizens of their state to appear before a judge AND to place an ad in a large local paper notifying their neighbors that they want a license to carry a gun. Utah has no such requirements at all. But DE recognizes my right to carry a gun there with my Utah permit, even though I've not fulfilled the requirements that their citizens would have to fulfill.

Unless MO has said "you MUST be 23 to carry a gun," SPECIFICALLY, then holding a permit/license from another state that they recognize would certainly fulfill their requirements, at whatever age.

 

[Big Boy]

Exactly the point Sam, the age of 23 is only for applying for a permit. There is no age listed in the laws of carrying or reciprocity.

It is almost like the whole idea that you can't buy a handgun until you are 21, but someone can still gift one to an 18 year old. It's not illegal for the 18 year old to now own that gun, but he couldn't have gone out and bought it himself.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Since MO says you have to be 23 to conceal carry that would apply no matter what license you hold, resident or a non-resident from another state. If you had a Florida non-resident you could conceal carry in Florida at 21 and many other states, but the MO age restriction of 23 is something you can't get around since that is state law.

And I too agree that the MO statute does NOT place the 23 year old age limit on concealed carry. MO statutes place A permit required limitation on concealed carry, and MO statues also limits those permits to only those issued in the bearer's name, regardless of where that permit is from or the bearer's age.

 

[Jumping Frog]

Unless MO has said "you MUST be 23 to carry a gun," SPECIFICALLY, then holding a permit/license from another state that they recognize would certainly fulfill their requirements, at whatever age.

I reviewed the Missouri statutes and they do not place any age restriction on possessing handguns. The only mention of age is regarding issuing a concealed carry "endorsement".