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Second rule of gun fighting......have a gun.

trent,

your "don't wear pants" post caused a disturbing image involving a nudist and duck tape to appear in my brain.

I have to admit they are small and they do go bang. Carried one for a bit. As a joke I even carried it in a nice hat on occasion.

Still I have to recall a time on the range that a guy that insisted they were the best thing since sliced bread shot against me and my then new Beretta 21A .22LR. We started with guns at low ready and un cocked and my DA/SA Beretta the same. He got his first shot of just a hair ahead of my third and his second only a bit behind my seventh. His two holes on target were actually further apart than any two of the seven holes in mine at 7 yards. This is why I was carrying the Beretta instead of the NAA.

I will say that MAYBE the NAA might be more "reliable" and the .22 magnum more "powerful"

I can't say there is anything "WRONG" with buying and carrying any of the NAAs.....I mean some folks like Chevy trucks instead of the Ford F-150s that we were intended to drive since the creation of the earth.

I keep ruminating about getting one of the BP models myself to go along with the .22 Magnum......hmmm I wonder if you can buy just the BP cylinder to use in a currently owned .22 mag model?

I rather like the pictured one and say good on ya for getting what you want....and more ammo than many Mag-fans are finding these days.

-kBob
 
kBob said:
Second rule of gun fighting......have a gun.

trent,

your "don't wear pants" post caused a disturbing image involving a nudist and duck tape to appear in my brain.

I have to admit they are small and they do go bang. Carried one for a bit. As a joke I even carried it in a nice hat on occasion.

Still I have to recall a time on the range that a guy that insisted they were the best thing since sliced bread shot against me and my then new Beretta 21A .22LR. We started with guns at low ready and un cocked and my DA/SA Beretta the same. He got his first shot of just a hair ahead of my third and his second only a bit behind my seventh. His two holes on target were actually further apart than any two of the seven holes in mine at 7 yards. This is why I was carrying the Beretta instead of the NAA.

I will say that MAYBE the NAA might be more "reliable" and the .22 magnum more "powerful"

I can't say there is anything "WRONG" with buying and carrying any of the NAAs.....I mean some folks like Chevy trucks instead of the Ford F-150s that we were intended to drive since the creation of the earth.

I keep ruminating about getting one of the BP models myself to go along with the .22 Magnum......hmmm I wonder if you can buy just the BP cylinder to use in a currently owned .22 mag model?

I rather like the pictured one and say good on ya for getting what you want....and more ammo than many Mag-fans are finding these days.

-kBob
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Nudist with duck tape and carried in a HAT? You sir are a genius.
 
kBob said:
I keep ruminating about getting one of the BP models myself to go along with the .22 Magnum......hmmm I wonder if you can buy just the BP cylinder to use in a currently owned .22 mag model?
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Meh and nah.


2) It gets fouled so quickly that I have personally never fired a full 20 shots before having it lock up due to the base pin encrusting with carbon.

2) they designed them (I suspect at ATF orders) not to interchange parts. This despite the cartridge conversion cylinders available for many BP reproductions.

Source: I was given an naa companion (the larger one) when I still lived in CA, so about 10 years of frustration. :)
 
NAA sights

I bought one just because it looked fun to shoot, not for the ballistics performance. I'm sure your Black Widow will shoot a lot better than mine with that "really long" barrel. Mine has a short ported barrel and a small pin for a front sight but I found I could still hit a paper plate at 25' with some practice. I have since added a LASERLYTE grip and it's now easier to hit the target and you don't need sights at all.

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My 30 year old .22 magnum's standard factory grip was just too tiny to allow for proficient manipulation of the gun's action. So last year I ordered the boot grip which makes it much more comfortable to shoot. Bigger too, but I haven't pocket carried it for 25 years. NAA guns are quality made little guns, like the proverbial Swiss watch. Am thinking about getting a Sidewinder. Sure wouldn't want to get shot with one.

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I had the NAA black widow for my first carry gun for a few weeks till I found something easier to reload, but a 40 grain bullet at 1250 fps is rather surprising to someone who didn't think you had a gun at all. Was it as comforting as my 44? No. But I had it on me ALWAYS since it was so light. I sold it to a friend, and have been trying to get it back for years now... btw I think your sights are the early ones for the black widow. I had the same ones.
 
A few years ago in nearby Granbury Tx an old man was in his house watching TV when two young punks broke in the door and tried to attack him. He had one of the NAA 22s in his pocket. He fired all five shots and IIRC he had all hits. He didn't kill them but they both left in the back of an ambulance. Having a gun at hand made all the difference in the world about who ended up being the victim.

He stated he would have shot them more but he ran "outta bullets". So is that little gun useless for defense? I don't think so and neither does he. You can quote ballistics all you want and still not appreciate what it means to be shot. Even a small chunk of lead in your chest can be a life changing, life ending event.

I had an NAA catalog and it had pictures of their guns in full size form. I laid my Beretta 950BS on top of the pictures and decided there wasn't enough difference in size to merit buying one. Plus my Beretta carries nine rounds of 25acp instead of 5 rounds of 22 RF. Another round people like to put down because they have read on the internet it is no good. But there are lots of folks in graveyards all over the world who might have a different opinion of the effectiveness of small caliber handguns.

To the OP. I like your gun and yes the sights look goofy.
 
The March/April issue of American Handgunner has an article about the firearms carried by the magazine staff. I was surprised by the number of writers/editors who included an NAA in their carry list. Usually not their primary firearm, but as a backup or secondary. I carried one for years before shall issue concealed carry. I was certainly aware of its limitations, but it was better than harsh words and a sharp stick.
 
My guess is at Katyn they used a .25 because they killed so many so quickly and didn't want to deal with the affects of recoil abuse and repeated firings. One person killed 7000 or so! I'd plain get sick of shooting before that point.
 
AlfonsDeWolf said:
My guess is at Katyn they used a .25 because they killed so many so quickly and didn't want to deal with the affects of recoil abuse and repeated firings. One person killed 7000 or so! I'd plain get sick of shooting before that point.
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Used a Nagant revolver as well
 
To the OP: Since few, if any, have mentioned it in close to 40 posts, let me say congratulations on your new gun. It's a unique and fun looking .22, and I hear they're well built. Best wishes.
 
I am sure not ashamed of my own Black Widow in 22WMR. I find it accurate enough for close quarters and quite handy when nothing else really fits into a summer wardrobe. I shot an old car tire with it. The bullet went through both sidewalls of the tire. Not exactly a scientific experiment, but enough for me to know that I don't want to be shot with it. Do what makes you comfortable and practice with it often.

Here's mine.
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Rear sights... when did that happen?

That's certainly new to me.

Our little NAA is more of a suggestion in aiming but returns astounding results.

I can't imagine a need for the OP's sights but NAA must be making money with them and that jazzy rib as well.

Just put a bipod on it and no one will say anything about the sights.:evil:


Todd
 
A local guy made the holster for me. I think he did well! That holster does a good job of keeping the lint out and the pistol upright in my pocket.
 
Dang it. Now I want one. It likes it might be interesting to play around with and easy to carry under situations where my larger guns just cant go.
 
AlfonsDeWolf said:
And that old man exmarine, lover of John Wayne, shot a .22lr, not a .22 mag (only slight difference really).

But does a .25 work? Hell, it dispatched most of these 22,000 in rapid succession.....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
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And next time you're in a self defense situation requiring you to shoot thousands of kneeling people who have been handcuffed point blank in the back of the head, this will be relevant.
 
I have had a few questions sent to me asking about the litte Black Widow holster I showed in my earlier post. Here is what the oppostie side of the holster looks like.

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Lot of ignorant bias being spewed in this thread. I have one with the low profile fixed fights that has both cylinders.
It is a legit SD gun as it meets all the FBI standards for penetration. I keep mine loaded with Speer 40gr Gold Dots.
Here is a video on it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-cqNCGnx_o
1100 FPS with 15" penetration from an expanding bullet is no joke even if it is "only" a 22 caliber.

Just for comparison The S&W 351PD is a SD revolver in 22mag with a shorter 1 7/8" barrel.
These are high quality guns, very well made with high quality materials.
I carry mine in a leather (Concealment Holster Solutions) pocket holster.
Its incredibly easy to carry.
 
javjacob said:
Lot of ignorant bias being spewed in this thread.
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I wouldn't get too upset about it - ballistics wars seldom end well here.

I have the magnum and it has very specific duties where often time it comes down to it or nothing. In those cases and I and those like us are quite comfortable with them.

Besides - diminished enthusiasm might be keeping the price down.

I figure were even 5 more to cross my path at a "gotta have it" price, I still wouldn't have too many as the number of places to stash them is endless.

As far as dropping one in my pocket if I'm wearing cover-alls or hanging one around my neck when even a 5 shot .38 is impractical - they're priceless.

Todd.
 
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