Not sure how to deal with a neighborhood situation. Advice appreciated.

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Good ideas all. I'm still not going to lay anything that can be construed as a trap. Even clotheslines would look suspicious since I have a pole for one in the BACK yard from the previous owners. A fence would be next and I don't have that kind of money.

Wheelgun, thanks for the very appropriate response. I guess I left out the fact that I AM a local. I was born in Mission hospital and grew up 5 minutes from my current home. When the ATV rider asked, I told him that. His response was funny b/c he asked like it mattered then had to backpedal. "Where are you from?" I said "Here". He said "Well good for you.". I said, "Yeah, I know." :rolleyes:

For now I'm going to keep the camera (and the 45) handy and if I see them, I'll let them keep thinking they are as tough as they come. Maybe they'll chill out.
 
Here's a different suggestion...make nice with them and see if you can talk the problem out without attitude.Not saying to wuss out, but try to iron things out before it ruins your neighborhood.
 
I would first look at what do I have direct control over, what can I do regardless of police cooperation.

* Erect a vehicle proof wall at least 3 ft high (like reinforced concrete 1 ft thick, or at least mortared rock) at the very edge of your property to prevent any accident spilling over into your yard. This is for safety as well as protecting against them claiming that portion of your property from repeated use and you not preventing them from using it.

* Consider getting a truck or van that is much bigger and uglier than whatever they drive. Again for safety in case they do slam into you out of control one day, but also for intimidation. When I had an UGLY brown American Motors Hornet NOBODY messed with me in the lanes. It was so fugly nobody else wanted to be wearing any part of it from a scrape or bounce.

* Definitely get a video surveillance camera and/or 8 mega pixel still camera with 10x zoom. The video will establish frequency and severity of their activities, and record any specific event that gets out of control. Keep the still camera in your vehicle to snap license plates and any situations away from the home (down the street).

* I liked the idea of the "friendly display of shotguns." In no way do you brandish them, but you just tote them around the yard, maybe on a sling, or have friends over looking over several one afternoon when the punks are likely to be burning up the road. Country boys (I grew up fairly rural Washington state) generally appreciate another guy willing to protect his own but not looking for trouble either. All they need to know is that you have shotguns handy and are likely to not hesitate if anything ever escalated. Or post a home business sign "Gunsmith, by appointment" or "Ammo for sale, free samples!" :evil:

* The other idea was good about trying to chat them up. If you can find common ground then maybe they will respect your concerns and place more. Invite them to look at your "hot rod", or ask them for a recommendation for a shop or something. Fishing? Hunting? Sports? Basically telling them "Yeah, I like hot cars (or ______ ) too, I have nothing against a guy liking to jump on it once in a while." And then perhaps you can suggest a better place for them to race, "When I was a young man we used to go over by the landfill to jump on the gas. No houses or families around there." Or, at least let them know you just appreciate them doing it in front of your house.

And of course, after exhausting those things I have control over, then I would be working the neighbors, even the ones at the other end of the street or other parts of town they race at, too. And working with the police. Maybe try to find a place the kids could have their fun more safely and try to get the neighbors and polce to support the idea of telling the kids, "Over there is OK, but not any where next to houses." Come on, if you are in a small town in the country then it is only a few minutes to get out of town and away from all houses, right?

I lived in a small town in Iowa in which the kids of local "rich" people got away with vandalizing and burglarizing stores, harassing pedestrians and street racing. The cops plain said their "hands were tied and we aren't going to try to arrest any them minors." You either had to move, stay out of their way, or what I did one night after our bikes were vandalized is walk through the town square and up and down the main street (literally) with a bike chain in one hand and a scowl. I don't know if I would have hit any of them if I had encountered any, but they cleared the heck out of town that night. Never was hassled after that. Probably not the smartest thing to do, but I was steamed and really didn;t give a rip about consequences, I just knew I was NOT going to put up with their crap one minute longer. I kind of sensed the police would look the other way and let one of the brats take a shellacking as long as it wasn't too serious. YMMV
 
run&shoot, the first three recommendations are moot since I'm
A) unemployed
B) selling this house ASAP (sorry, shoulda mentioned that)

otherwise, I'd have this place fortressed already. It would also be further away from the road if I had my way. This is all I could afford at the time..... :(

Also, I have NO desire to advertise that I even have guns. Reason for a B&E IMO. They don't know I carry at least 2 pistols with me at all times. I prefer keep it that way. They can keep on thinking that they are the alpha males here. I'll know otherwise. :evil:

crankshop, I tried my best to be nice but maybe not hard enough... I was in a 4x4 when they talked to me, not a hybrid. It's a foreign 4x4 though.... They don't want to identify with me, they want to feel like they own the world (this little "town"). I truly believe I can make friends with anyone on the planet in a matter of seconds, but not these guys right now. They grew up together and no one has ever stopped them from doing anything they want in their 'hood. My house was abandoned for 20 years before we moved in 3 years ago. Couple that with the fact that the other houses around this corner are still effectively deserted....
 
Son, you need to get environmentally conscious.

Yup. Shrink that ol' carbon feetprint.

Gitcherself a clothesline, and hang that sucker in the yard. Better get a few clothespins and maybe some of your whites, maybe at the end near the house. Make sure everything's anchored down good.

Helps if the clothesline is old and dark, but not all worn out...

Oh, and a few rose planters that you can move around area also good...

And don't you need to get a post hole digger and drive a hole or two? Put the dirt somewhere else... Wouldn't want it to look like an unsightly hole...
 
We had problems with kids running over our lawn late at night, dad & I started putting 2x4s out across the lawn at dusk, picked them up in the morning. Guess I should mention those 2x4s had 16 penny nails driven thru em. after a few weeks the boards ended up in the street & a truck was sitting on 4 flats at the end of the block, never had a problem again.
 
go to a road safety store... you know, the kind that sells road cones... get a speed bump and install it in the road in front of your house... make sure to get at least 2 road signs warning of the bump too, one for each direction... i bet that they will hit the bump once at 50+ before they learn


if thats too expensive, a 2x4 timber should work nicely
 
you donb't drive in your own yard right? salt your yard with nails or caltrops and when you cure problem remove em with a magnet nails are good they are an accident caltrops they know it was on purpose. and as far as i know its no crime to put em in your yard
 
If it is a state maintained road you can call the state police. Notify them that there is illegal street racing going on and they will come out and check it out. Show them the rubber on the ground and they will take it from there.
 
I did the nail thing b/c kids were the problem.l If their parents want to get puffed up about it, they are tresspassing!

Responding to criminal behavior with more criminal behavior is called...

what?

criminal behavior.

The lawful remedy for a child on your lawn is not bodily injury.

The lawful remedy for road racing is not risking injury to your neighbor's pets and children.

We now return you to the scheduled topic of this thread, and to the high road.
 
Thanks Wayne. Again, I will not be laying any traps in my yard. I will not be giving them a reason to sue or burn down my house. I want to, but I won't.

Today's update.
Found out where the truck driver lives. After seeing the house, I won't be talking to his dad. Blazer that rode by with truck is definitely the ATV rider. He left a real nice trench (and by nice I mean deep and 20' long) in the front yard today. You can guess how I was when he did it. I was literally standing there with my pants down. Changing to go buy a camera. Almost ran outside in my boxers to get video but almost slipped and fell on the way. I was raining so he really did a number on it. Now I have a color + night vision camera but it's a super cheapo so I don't think I'll be happy with the results. Working on something better tomorrow. Also found out that a family friend is very close with the sheriff. I might be able to get some help finding their addresses and names that way.

Don't worry, I took a lot of pics of the trench he left with a dollar bill next to it for size reference. Also got pics with landmarks.

I bet if I could get their names and manage to get within earshot while they ride by and say "hey" by name (first and last) they'd magically stop tormenting me. MAYBE. They don't know that I've found one house yet, he wasn't home. A neighbor knew where he lived by the truck description. My neighbor was glad I was taking charge of the situation and said he'd help in any way he can. thumbs up. My neighbor thinks the kid is a punk and was p'ed off when I told him about the racing since he has two kids. I bet once they realize that I know where they live, they might decide to start being nicer. Again, maybe.

I'm going to try and get the plate number of the blazer so that I don't end up trying to back down a dead end driveway to find his address. I found out today there are a million of those around here. Truck driver lives up one.

Otherwise, sticking with the plan. Video, report, repeat. I just hope they don't want to get up close and personal....
 
mekender, that doesn't sound legal... or something. It's public road that goes to the post office. 100 cars per day or so. I don't think the speed bump would work. It sure would be nice though. They dont need to be going fast to finish tearing up the yard though. He started from 2 mph today. Actually drove past and turned around so he wouldn't have to dodge the speed limit sign that's at one end of the yard. He was smart enough to keep one tire on the pavement. I wish he'd lost control and creamed the sign. That would have been awesome.

Oh, and I'm seeing a pattern in times too. Around the same time every day, 2 hour window at most. Never late at night. I think the parents keep them on lock down after dark or something. We are writing down the times and days. I almost left my truck parked in the way tonight but realized grass grows back, windshields don't. :fire:
 
Rainbow, I get the feeling the dad won't be friendly, pretty rough looking dwelling with rough looking trucks outside. I definitely won't be knocking on the door. I MIGHT call. Big might there. I know he'd be breaking the law for brandishing or whatever but I don't want to chance it. I'll keep my distance. I would like to give the parents a chance to smooth it over before the kids catch a record over this though.... I have to get their phone number first though.

Wait, we all have PO boxes. The kids probably don't go to the PO. I could post a pic of each truck and explanation of what they are doing. Assuming I can't get the phone numbers. I don't feel like going through all of that though. Plus, it's a long shot at best.
 
Property ownership is a matter of public record. Check with your assessor's office. Give them the address. My county here in NE actually has all of the property in the county available for search online, with maps, valuations, and owners.
 
I would consider writing the parents a nice letter. Something like this. I would also send it to a few of there close neighbors just to keep it from being to personal and just get the message through
Hi Neighbor

I am writing some of my Neighbors as I am concerned about a situation that has come to my attention recently. There are a few young people that have been street racing down (road name). I have personally seen a pick up and an ATV. These young men are just being young and having fun and I understand that in fact if I was that same age I might do the same. However I think they don’t realize just how many children play on and near that street and how many older people live and drive on that street. If they did I am sure they would find a place away from people for there activities. If you know these young men please make them aware of the potential dangers associated with racing on this road.
I am sure they are good kids and I would hate to see them ruin there life’s by running over a kid or old person
 
I would consider writing the parents a nice letter. Something like this. I would also send it to a few of there close neighbors just to keep it from being to personal and just get the message through
Hi Neighbor

I am writing some of my Neighbors as I am concerned about a situation that has come to my attention recently. There are a few young people that have been street racing down (road name). I have personally seen a pick up and an ATV. These young men are just being young and having fun and I understand that in fact if I was that same age I might do the same. However I think they don’t realize just how many children play on and near that street and how many older people live and drive on that street. If they did I am sure they would find a place away from people for there activities. If you know these young men please make them aware of the potential dangers associated with racing on this road.
I am sure they are good kids and I would hate to see them ruin there life’s by running over a kid or old person

Thanks
 
You may want to check with the sheriff about what action he will take if you provide photos, license plates, etc. Some will just brush it off and tell you flat out they will not pursue it (for a variety of reasons). May not be worth the effort if he doesn't think burning tires on a remote public road is a crime worth his time.

On the other hand, the local paper may be local for a local crime story to investigate. Maybe residents around the county have been complaining and together this would make a news item. They could play up the risk to children, pets, other drivers, and to the kids themselves. They might run it just to embarrass a sheriff that is too lazy/busy to follow-up a road safety crime. The paper may be aware of some other criminal activity these boys have gotten into the last couple of years. "Local thieves caught vandalizing, reckless endangerment". Who knows? The worst they can do is yawn in your face.
 
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I would consider writing the parents a nice letter. Something like this. I would also send it to a few of there close neighbors just to keep it from being to personal and just get the message through
Hi Neighbor

I am writing some of my Neighbors as I am concerned about a situation that has come to my attention recently. There are a few young people that have been street racing down (road name). I have personally seen a pick up and an ATV. These young men are just being young and having fun and I understand that in fact if I was that same age I might do the same. However I think they don’t realize just how many children play on and near that street and how many older people live and drive on that street. If they did I am sure they would find a place away from people for there activities. If you know these young men please make them aware of the potential dangers associated with racing on this road.
I am sure they are good kids and I would hate to see them ruin there life’s by running over a kid or old person

Thanks
 
Sheriff might not care, parents might not care...

but I'll bet the kid's car insurance company would care.

Any insurance decals on the bumper? Maybe ask YOUR agent how to find out who the kid insures through. Then share your evidence with his insurance company. Once they see what a risk/liability he is to them, they may be able to bring some pressure to bear.
 
Zaraster has 3 great ideas. ;)

I will also check into finding out the names and addresses through public record. Only trouble is that their house wasn't marked (that I could see). I might try to look again. Sometimes I forget the simple things like public records. :eek: I think I can look up the property tax info on the net too. I might just mail the parents a letter instead of calling. Then they would just have my PO box, not phone number which doesn't matter at all. I'm not sure about mailing all of the neighbors since I have no way of knowing what their PO box number is. No mailboxes here. Not many marked houses either.
 
Hmmm, good idea Doggy. I'll try that. My insurance agent knows me by name and is always willing to help.

I don't expect the sheriff to care and I definitely don't think he'll fix this, I just want a record of it in case they get more dumber and start causing serious damage. I honestly think legal action will make things worse beofer they get better but I'm not going to just let them keep on thinking that they own the town either. They've never been in trouble before from the sound of it and think they can get away with anything. That's the scary part I guess. Man I wish I had a dog right now.

Now, the street racing is a serious deal around here and recently there was a law passed saying something to the effect of, one offense=impounding of the vehicles. That wouldn't look good on their record either since reckless endangerment and other things would probably get tagged on as well. On the other hand I think the cops would have to be sitting there watching though. I doubt high quality video that gets tags in the clip would be enough for an arrest. I could be wrong though.

The most I can hope for from the sheriff is for him to tell me what he would do if he were in my situation. No one I've spoken with at the station will do that. After I explain the issue they say something like "Would you like us to come out and file a report?" Then I ask, "Will anything be done about it after that?" They usually just repeat the question. Like I said, documentation of the issue at best. :rolleyes:

I'm also planning on mentioning this at the toy store when I pick up the full size with the new night sights on it. There are usually LE hanging out in there and they are always nice and helpful. They might have some good suggestions as well.

I like the car insurance angle. They might just drop them altogether if I had video of the racing. That would wake them up I bet.

Now we are doing well in this thread. 5 posts in a row with no mention of illegal activity. :)
 
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