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And I am sure you have found a lot better way to contribute to gun rights other than the NRA. Would you please be so kind to share the perfect alternative to the NRA?

I belong to other gun orgs. Hopefuuly I can get your blessings on those also.

There are a number of gun organizations out there. One I really like is Gun Owners of America (GOA). I bought my son a GOA life membership figuring he has a whole lot more years to enjoy it than I do. But I might get one for myself eventually too.

 

[Insignificant bill]

We know this, but the antis apparently don't. They're focusing their vitriol on the NRA, as if it's the main reason guns haven't been banned. The antis misunderstand the gun world completely.

And the importance of the 2nd protecting all their other rights.

 

[Insignificant bill]

One of the things I enjoy least on any gun forum is reading about NRA bashing. I wish there was a separate forum for NRA hate that I could only visit when I wanted to. This would also narrow it down to who gets put on my ignore list.

It has been my choice to be an NRA member just it is your choice to be a gun owner. For heavens sake if we cannot help each other the least we could do is not hinder each other.

Answer the question, what would you have me do?

You think I care what they did? It was just annoying as hell. It was actually a cherry slushy, so she just wasted cash. Again, my trunk smells like the color of my car, so whatever.

No, of course not, it's what they wanted me to do. Wasn't much I was going to do, they were harassing me for the sake of doing it. Call the police? Over a slushy? I'd rather they finish that investigation down town. If they started harming my car, throwing rocks and all, yeah, something other than driving away.

But dude, they were throwing words at me. I had much worse done to me as a kid, I was beat as berated till it eventually stopped bothering me. This? This was childs play. They were acting like children.

I feel I did the right thing by not sinking to their level.

Well they need a good lesson on the 2nd Amendment

 

[Insignificant bill]

I give to GOA, 2nd Amendment Foundation and TSRA. If I can scrape up more money maybe I will find some others.

 

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I give to GOA, 2nd Amendment Foundation and TSRA. If I can scrape up more money maybe I will find some others.

I'll have to check out the 2nd Amendment Foundation. Not sure what is TSRA. Here is another that seems pretty good: https://www.americanfirearmsassociation.org/

 

[Craig_AR]

I'll have to check out the 2nd Amendment Foundation. Not sure what is TSRA. Here is another that seems pretty good: https://www.americanfirearmsassociation.org/

TSRA is Texas State Rifle Association, a legitimate and active group.
As for American FIrearms Association, I suggest a bit of research on who runs it and its history, In particular, read
The Brothers Behind an Extreme Gun-Rights Network That Republicans Call a Big Scam
But read it carefully. Note that the site hosting that article, The Trace ("The only newsroom dedicated to covering gun violence"), appears to be a basically anti-gun site. That does not keep it from including legitimately established facts in the articles there.
For my money, I prefer (and support) Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Gun Owners of America. The lobbying arm of SAF is the Citizens Committee For The Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA).

 

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TSRA is Texas State Rifle Association, a legitimate and active group.
As for American FIrearms Association, I suggest a bit of research on who runs it and its history, In particular, read
The Brothers Behind an Extreme Gun-Rights Network That Republicans Call a Big Scam
But read it carefully. Note that the site hosting that article, The Trace ("The only newsroom dedicated to covering gun violence"), appears to be a basically anti-gun site. That does not keep it from including legitimately established facts in the articles there.
For my money, I prefer (and support) Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Gun Owners of America. The lobbying arm of SAF is the Citizens Committee For The Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA).

Caution noted. I don't give them money but somehow got on their mailing list and get some alerts that have pre-drafted email I can send (as is or modified).

Any group that says "gun violence" IMO is woke. Nobody ever says "knife violence" or "baseball bat violence." Yep, they want to single out guns as bad. I already am a NRA member for the next 5 years by a special offer, but will definitely be sticking with GOA and will check out the SAF and CCRKBA, which is easily done since you provided links.

Another one I have run across is Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. I think I saw reference to them at the end of the book, Call 911 and Die.

 

[Poper]

...DOH!

 

[SunnySlopes]

Nothing new on this thread.

By now we should all realize the liberal is only pro freedom of speech when it parrots his own views. They demand monologue, not dialogue. And, there is no reasoning with them.

They champion the rights of perverts, crimigrants and America haters, but want to erase your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Nothing new on this thread.

By now we should all realize the liberal is only pro freedom of speech when it parrots his own views. They demand monologue, not dialogue. And, there is no reasoning with them.

They champion the rights of perverts, crimigrants and America haters, but want to erase your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The only thing that changes is as the population grows we get even more of them

 

[Buzznrose]

I'm not affiliated with the NRA, mostly because I never got around to it, but I am associated with being Pro 2-A.

My ex girlfriend and her friends, however? Oh boy.

I was getting gas when lo and behold, one of her friends recognized me. Maaaaaan, I just wanted gas.

She walks up and says "i bet you have a gun huh? I bet you're going to shoot me,etc etc etc." I don't even carry a gun in the car, i don't CC (even though incensed), I'm just an enthusiast like y'all. While I'm pumping, her friend walks out of the store, and throws her drink on my car. I just said "thanks for the carwash, the NRA approves" , got in my car and drove away.

They both said a few choice words, but I got harassed for liking guns.

good on ya for not taking the bait!

A soft answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger. - Proverbs 15:1 https://biblegateway.com/passage?search=Prov.15.1&version=NKJV

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Wayne LaPierre and Vlad Putin are good arguments for term limits. Oops, getting into politics.

Some antigunners like to key cars with NRA stickers.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Wayne LaPierre and Vlad Putin are good arguments for term limits. Oops, getting into politics.

Some antigunners like to key cars with NRA stickers.

I bet you and Sara Brady are good at that.

 

[starnbar]

I have been a NRA member since the mid 60s I liked Carter. Glassen was ok Scott not so much. Used to get a kick out of Neal Knox but that is all history now.

 

[nettlle]

There are a number of gun organizations out there. One I really like is Gun Owners of America (GOA). I bought my son a GOA life membership figuring he has a whole lot more years to enjoy it than I do. But I might get one for myself eventually too.

And I am a member GOA also. Maybe, if I knew the name of the president of the GOA, I could bash him like you do Wayne La Pieirre. Unfortunately that is not one of my goals in life . To go around and degrade gun support org's like you do. Let us know the rewards you get as a gun owner for doing this.

 

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And I am a member GOA also. Maybe, if I knew the name of the president of the GOA, I could bash him like you do Wayne La Pieirre. Unfortunately that is not one of my goals in life . To go around and degrade gun support org's like you do. Let us know the rewards you get as a gun owner for doing this.

If I bashed Wayne La Pieirre, my apologies. I don't recall having done so, but perhaps I did. There do seem to be a lot of folks saying he is doing wrong, but I have not personally investigated it and so really can't say.

According to Wikipedia (not exactly the best source) GOA "has publicly criticized the NRA on multiple occasions for what it considers to be compromising on gun rights."

My concern would be that if there is a problem at NRA, can it be fixed. If not, what do we do?

 

[Insignificant bill]

If I bashed Wayne La Pieirre, my apologies. I don't recall having done so, but perhaps I did. There do seem to be a lot of folks saying he is doing wrong, but I have not personally investigated it and so really can't say.

According to Wikipedia (not exactly the best source) GOA "has publicly criticized the NRA on multiple occasions for what it considers to be compromising on gun rights."

My concern would be that if there is a problem at NRA, can it be fixed. If not, what do we do?

Again plenty of evidence there are two good books on it.

 

[CapnMac]

I could bash him like you do Wayne La Pieirre. Unfortunately that is not one of my goals in life . To go around and degrade gun support org's like you do. Let us know the rewards you get as a gun owner for doing this.

The issue here is that the image of the leader of an organization can tarnish the image of that organization.

"Bashing" WLP does not equal "bashing" the NRA.
Sadly, though, any imperfections WLP has reflect poorly on the NRA.

The fact that there's about 32 pages of alleged impropriety is rather a lot of "smoke." That there is ample evidence of financial and fiduciary malfeasance does not help matters in the slightest.

WLP has been EP of NRA for near 40 years now, and not necessarily by being the best possible EP, but because the process of election is, to use a harsh word, "rigged."

Even if WLP is actually innocent of all the charges alleged, the mere appearance of all that impropriety has put the entire organization at risk of being dissolved. That's not a very high standard of executive leadership.

 

[Old_Grouch]

the mere appearance of all that impropriety has put the entire organization at risk of being dissolved. That's not a very high standard of executive leadership.

One of the tenets that we were expected to live by when I was in the military was "the appearance of impropriety is as unacceptable as impropriety itself".
I think La Pierre's behavior validates that philosophy.

 

[Insignificant bill]

The issue here is that the image of the leader of an organization can tarnish the image of that organization.

"Bashing" WLP does not equal "bashing" the NRA.
Sadly, though, any imperfections WLP has reflect poorly on the NRA.

The fact that there's about 32 pages of alleged impropriety is rather a lot of "smoke." That there is ample evidence of financial and fiduciary malfeasance does not help matters in the slightest.

WLP has been EP of NRA for near 40 years now, and not necessarily by being the best possible EP, but because the process of election is, to use a harsh word, "rigged."

Even if WLP is actually innocent of all the charges alleged, the mere appearance of all that impropriety has put the entire organization at risk of being dissolved. That's not a very high standard of executive leadership.

Exactly if he actually cared about the NRA and had integrity he would have resigned.

 

[230RN]

I wonder if the source of the information the OP wondered about wasn't someone, somewhere, in the Postal Service.

I'm reminded of Newman's threat in "Seinfeld":
"Remember, Jerry, he who controls the mail controls information!"

May sound "paranoid," but it's a "soft point" in your perimeter. And paranoia is a survival trait.

I also wonder if most of the troubles of the NRA are due to constant sniper attacks for more than two decades by ardent anti-gunners. Sure, there are and were problems, and the NRA has weathered them before.

Many seem to be focused on the excesses of WLP. I don't know about you, but personally I would prefer the representative defending my rights in Congress be dressed in $1000 suits, $500 shoes, $50 neckties, and $25 socks. Et cetera. And I mean the et cetera.

I firmly believe that anti-gunners have long desired to destroy both the NRA and the Second Amendment by whatever means are necessary, and that most of the attacks from within are from folks who have been influenced by that long-term series of carefully designed attacks by the anti-gunners. Can't help wondering about that.

Incidentally, it's been a long time since I dealt with, or even had a copy of, Robert's Rules of Order, but I seem to recall that at least one member of the body should vote negatively in an "unaminous" vote in order for the issue to be brought up again in future.

Terry, 230RN

 

[dannyd]

I wonder if the source of the information the OP wondered about wasn't someone, somewhere, in the Postal Service.

I'm reminded of Newman's threat in "Seinfeld":
"Remember, Jerry, he who controls the mail controls information!"

May sound "paranoid," but it's a "soft point" in your perimeter. And paranoia is a survival trait.

I also wonder if most of the troubles of the NRA are due to constant sniper attacks for more than two decades by ardent anti-gunners. Sure, there are and were problems, and the NRA has weathered them before.

Many seem to be focused on the excesses of WLP. I don't know about you, but personally I would prefer the representative defending my rights in Congress be dressed in $1000 suits, $500 shoes, $50 neckties, and $25 socks. Et cetera. And I mean the et cetera.

I firmly believe that anti-gunners have long desired to destroy both the NRA and the Second Amendment by whatever means are necessary, and that most of the attacks from within are from folks who have been influenced by that long-term series of carefully designed attacks by the anti-gunners. Can't help wondering about that.

Incidentally, it's been a long time since I dealt with, or even had a copy of, Robert's Rules of Order, but I seem to recall that at least one member of the body should vote negatively in an "unaminous" vote in order for the issue to be brought up again in future.

Terry, 230RN

Mr. Lapierre excesses are in the millions and that is by his own words when he was asked the questions in court; If it only was some suits and shoes that would be great.

Mr. Lapierre lost the different between right and wrong in his small world where all politicians live off other peoples money.

If you read the book "NRA: An American Legend" starting on page 206 till the end you will see the evolution of Mr. Lapierre from a minion in the ILA to running around with presidents.

Unfortunately for him, his family and especially the membership he is probably going to end up like Randy " The Duke" Cunningham.

 

[Insignificant bill]

I wonder if the source of the information the OP wondered about wasn't someone, somewhere, in the Postal Service.

I'm reminded of Newman's threat in "Seinfeld":
"Remember, Jerry, he who controls the mail controls information!"

May sound "paranoid," but it's a "soft point" in your perimeter. And paranoia is a survival trait.

I also wonder if most of the troubles of the NRA are due to constant sniper attacks for more than two decades by ardent anti-gunners. Sure, there are and were problems, and the NRA has weathered them before.

Many seem to be focused on the excesses of WLP. I don't know about you, but personally I would prefer the representative defending my rights in Congress be dressed in $1000 suits, $500 shoes, $50 neckties, and $25 socks. Et cetera. And I mean the et cetera.

I firmly believe that anti-gunners have long desired to destroy both the NRA and the Second Amendment by whatever means are necessary, and that most of the attacks from within are from folks who have been influenced by that long-term series of carefully designed attacks by the anti-gunners. Can't help wondering about that.

Incidentally, it's been a long time since I dealt with, or even had a copy of, Robert's Rules of Order, but I seem to recall that at least one member of the body should vote negatively in an "unaminous" vote in order for the issue to be brought up again in

I wonder if the source of the information the OP wondered about wasn't someone, somewhere, in the Postal Service.

I'm reminded of Newman's threat in "Seinfeld":
"Remember, Jerry, he who controls the mail controls information!"

May sound "paranoid," but it's a "soft point" in your perimeter. And paranoia is a survival trait.

I also wonder if most of the troubles of the NRA are due to constant sniper attacks for more than two decades by ardent anti-gunners. Sure, there are and were problems, and the NRA has weathered them before.

Many seem to be focused on the excesses of WLP. I don't know about you, but personally I would prefer the representative defending my rights in Congress be dressed in $1000 suits, $500 shoes, $50 neckties, and $25 socks. Et cetera. And I mean the et cetera.

I firmly believe that anti-gunners have long desired to destroy both the NRA and the Second Amendment by whatever means are necessary, and that most of the attacks from within are from folks who have been influenced by that long-term series of carefully designed attacks by the anti-gunners. Can't help wondering about that.

Incidentally, it's been a long time since I dealt with, or even had a copy of, Robert's Rules of Order, but I seem to recall that at least one member of the body should vote negatively in an "unaminous" vote in order for the issue to be brought up again in future.

Terry, 230RN

Its malfeasance on the leaderships part.They have mismanaged the members money. And they don't answer to anyone. Those are the facts.