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NRA Lawsuit against Washington State

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  1. MD_Willington

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    The lawsuit will be moot if 1052 passes... contact these people asap and ask them to support HB1052

    House Committee on Judiciary members and contact information:

    Representative Steve Kirby
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7996
    [email protected]

    Representative Dennis Flannigan
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7930
    [email protected]

    Representative Timm Ormsby
    Democrat
    Spokane
    (360) 786-7946
    [email protected]

    Representative Jay Rodne
    Republican
    North Bend
    (360) 786-7852
    [email protected]

    Representative Mary Helen Roberts
    Democrat
    Lynnwood
    (360) 786-7950
    [email protected]

    Representative Roger Goodman
    Democrat
    Kirkland
    (360) 786-7878
    [email protected]

    Representative Troy Kelley
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7890
    [email protected]

    Representative Jamie Pedersen
    Democrat
    Seattle
    (360) 786-7826
    [email protected]

    Representative Charles Ross
    Republican
    Naches
    (360) 786-7856
    [email protected]

    Representative Judy Warnick
    Republican
    Moses Lake
    (360) 786-7932
    [email protected]

    Representative Matthew Shea
    Republican
    Mead
    (360) 786-7984
    [email protected]
     
  2. MD_Willington

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    HB1052 is going to the House Committee on Judiciary members January 22, the day before the NRA lawsuit.

    If HB1052 gets pushed through, the effective date is "IMMEDIATELY" because the bill contains an emergency clause, which would render the lawsuit MOOT... convenient since WA State DOL will not receive any bad PR press.

    PLEASE contact the House Committee on Judiciary members and ask them to support HB1052.
     
  3. Gungnir

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    Sent them all a "please support this".

    Question is though not sure about WA procedure on this, what happens once this has gone through the Executive session Committee meeting, from what I understand, it needs to be referred to the Rules Committee and a 2nd and 3rd house reading for this being ratified. Unless there's something about an Executive Session of a committee that allows them to "pass" the bill.

    If on Jan 23rd the Federal Judge issues immediate injunctive relief from RCW 9.41.170 (as happened in the original filing in Dec, and I expect the SAF/NRA to be requesting) then that will make interesting times here.
     
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    Reply from Matt Shea

    Thank you for your input on this important legislation. I am currently favoring the intent of this bill but I am still examining the language of the bill.Thank you for sharing your views with me.
    Rep Matt Shea
    4th Legislative District
    (360) 786-7984
     
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    I believe Executive Session means that the meeting will be held in secret.
    All bills become laws on certain date; the emergency clause means that the bill would become a law the moment singed by the governor (the same clause was in one of the previous bills and it didn’t pass, so it doesn’t mean much to the legislators I guess)

    If the bill passes 3 reading it gets sent to the Senate, there it needs to pass 3 readings again. If a change is made in either chamber, the bill has to be sent over to the other for approval of the changes. A bill could die by not being called for a reading (that’s what happened to the previous bills). After a bill passes both chambers it is usually singed by the governor and becomes a law.

    I think what SAF/NRA want at the moment is for the DOL to start issuing licenses again (that’s their preliminary injunction). So even if it’s granted you’d still need an AFL.
     
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    The bill summary states LPRs would be exempt...i.e. not required to get a license as it is unconstitutional to license a right.. yeah I know, they still license carry permits...

    BTW Rep Roberts staff member called, Roberts is in favor of 1052...
     
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    I think user3214 was referring to an immediate injunctive relief for Aliens (regardless of status permanent or nonresident) to receive AFL's IF the need is there before the end of the NRA/SAF lawsuit. Which while not ideal at least restores SOME of my constitutional rights.

    If HB1052 is passed I have the same 2A rights as any US Citizen, reading the language and the Judiciary report makes that very clear.

    So depending on context you're both correct; if I'm reading your contexts correctly :)
     
  8. MD_Willington

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    You already do have those rights, with the exception of voting, the moment some .gov employee said "issue the green card"...

    WA is openly defying this with the AFL debacle to begin with.
     
  9. Gungnir

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    Don't need to tell me that, I'm boning up for my civics, since I got my Biometrics Appointment for Citizenship this is a complete infringement of 2nd/14th and probably a bunch of other rights I have. Next the state will begin stationing active troops in my house, without compensation, illegally searching my home, and banning me from speaking my mind, while ordering me to my local Presbyterian for Sunday Service.

    While incredibly frustrated with this situation, I still find this amusing on a cosmic level as looking at the citizenship test on civics where the question is
    "what rights are conferred on a person through citizenship"
    the answer is
    "the right to vote, and the right to run for public office"

    So apparently someone who initiated RCW 9.41.170 would have failed the civics section of the citizenship test. Which I think is totally ironic.
     
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    Truly is sad, everyone should be equal under the law, but that’s not the way it works.

    If you break the law you pay, go to jail, lose your rights to vote or have a firearms, pay a fine etc.
    If you're a government official and deny someone's rights, the most is - that official will be fined and the money will come out of the pockets of the tax-paying people.
     
  11. MD_Willington

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    From a friend..

     
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    Cool, hope this passes and the State AG doesn't pull another fast one.

    Wonder how the injunction if it is accepted will be worded, another "Issue AFL immediately" to the DOL, or something more meaningful.
     
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    The way I understand it, if it goes through, it is essentially a get out of felony free card, no law enforcement entity will be able to enforce the law for a green card holder at least...
     
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    If that's the case then cool.

    Wonder if I can apply for a CCL on the 23rd then. Let me know, and I'll take a trip to my local Sheriff, I'll let you know the results...
     
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    You probably will not be able to until there is an official verdict...

    You know Kentucky had to drop the green card requirement for their concealed carry, it went to court and the judge was in favor of the plaintiff... fingers crossed here!
     
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    I wasn't really serious, I'd rather not upset the local LEO's before I get citizenship :)

    Although there is this mischievous voice that is urging me to do it, if only to see what they say.
     
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    LOL..

    If I was aware of all this mess when my green card was issued, I would have done the AFL paperwork the very day I received my green card in the mail, they were still issuing them when I received my green card...
     
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    I got my GC in Feb 2006 probationary LPR from 2005 (Marriage to US Citizen) not sure whether this was before or after the date the DOL hit the wall, I know when I arrived in 2001 that was way before the DOL hit the wall, so maybe I should have applied then, since LPR's had/have the same status as Nonresident Aliens according to the AFL.

    But had I thought about it then, then things might be a little less irritating, but it wasn't as high on my list of priorities then. When it became a priority, I was a little surprised by the whole AFL deal for LPR's.
     
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    NRA lawsuit may be our only chance...

    received this in a email today..

     
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    I just sent that note to all three of my reps. Hinkle, Warnick and Holmguist

    Pops
     
  21. Gungnir

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    To cross post from the Activism thread on this.

    From Rep. Jim Moeller (Primary sponsor of hb1052)
    I think (reading between the lines) they're trying to rationalize SR5195 and HB1052 into a single bill. We'll see over the next few days I guess.

    Here's a link to the Activism thread
     
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    More news

    I'm no legal scholar, hopefully this means what I think it means :D
     
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    It means that the injunction (if it comes into effect) forces the DOL to release an AFL according to RWC 9.41.170 whether or not they can process a FBI background check (depending on how stubborn the DOL is they might issue that request anyway, to delay release of the license). My expectation is that means that the processing will be identical otherwise.

    It's a start...
     
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    Another update.. what a roller coaster...

    It WILL be heard on the 23rd...
     
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    So if the defendants have agreed that this injunction go through, then why waste the courts time?

    Hmm...
     
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